[Topper’s Interview] Dr. Roman Saini (CSE-2013/AIR-18): First Attempt, 309 in Prelims, ~100 marks GS Mains 1,3,4; Medical Science Optional, AIIMS

By Support Staff|2014-07-03T15:37:30+05:3020/06/2014|Categories: motivation|Tags: Optional-Medical, Topper-CSE-2013|490 Comments

Details

Name	Roman Saini
Rank in CSE-2013	18
Roll No.	074397
Age	22
Total attempts in CSE	1
Optional Subject	Medical Sciences
Medium chosen for Mains answers	English
Schooling medium	English
College medium	English
Home town/city	Jaipur
Work-experience if any	Junior Resident Psychiatry AIIMS
Details of other competitive exams, including success/failures	–
Details of coaching, mock tests, postal material for any competitive exam (if used)	Vajiram material and test series
Cadre preference	Rajasthan > Haryana > Gujarat.
Facebook	facebook.com/romansaini.official

Education

% in class 10	85.5
% in class 12	91.4
Schooling (Medium)	English
Graduation course and %	MBBS 62
Name of college, city, passing out year	AIIMS NEW DELHI 2013
Post-graduation	–
Any other professional courses	–
Hobbies & Extra curricular	GUITAR TRINITY COLLEGE LONDON, professional degree, puzzle solving

Introduction

Q. Tell us something about yourself, your family, when and why did you enter in this field of competitive exams?

I am a doctor at AIIMS, gave AIIMS entrance at 16 and passed out in Jan 2014, appeared in civil services exam as 21 year old kid. Wanted to solve grass root problems of people as we have been taught that prevention is better than cure.

How essential is coaching Material?

Q. Let’s face it, many toppers have relied solely on (authentic OR xeroxed) coaching notes for Mains-2013. Some of the readers are getting a negative ‘vibe’ that UPSC is not meant for an individual preparing from far-away area, without any financial resources or contacts in Delhi to import such coaching material. What’s your stand on this?

I don’t agree. It’s a big misconception that coaching class or coaching notes are essential for success.
I personally know many in the top-100, who succeeded without relying on such material.
In fact, barring just 1-2 topics like Comparing Constitution, I myself have not relied on the coaching resources.
I’ve covered majority of the GS syllabus from Wikipedia, internet, Hindu and India yearbook alone, and the result speaks for itself.
Similarly even for medical science optional, I relied on my own college notes and google.
All of the studymaterial is out there on public domain. There are no “secret coaching notes” which you can mugup and automatically secure a high rank in civil service.
And as far as ‘financial resources’ are concerned, Ab kya chhotaa kya badaa…today everyone has internet. So just download everything on your pen drive and keep studying wherever you go.

Electronic Vs Paper material

Q. In recent times, there is spur in electronic material- blogs, sites, pdfs, RSS-feeds. Many aspirants feel bogged down by this information overload. So, how much do you rely on electronic material and how much on the paper material (Books, newspapers)? If possible narrate a typical day in your studylife.

Never made any notes, 90% of stuff I read is in electronics format, even newspaper, books, Wikipedia, your blog and a closed group whose details I can’t share. I read a lot and I am blessed with a good memory.

Tempo and style

Q. On an average, how many hours do you study? How do you keep study momentum going on? How do you fight against the mood swings?

9 hours a day, if I don’t like I don’t read, I play guitar, helps me a lot.

Working professional

You’re working in AIIMS. How to manage studies with job/internship?

I graduated after giving my mains exam, (degree will be given in august convocation), and started working as a junior resident at Aiims. Managing internship with preparation was one of the toughest struggle of my life. Utilize micro opportunities. That’s it. You won’t get long stretches to study. 10-15 minutes here and there makes a lot of difference

Prelims (CSAT) General studies

Read variety sources, stop mugging up dates facts and persons in news, that trend is long gone.

Topic	strategy/booklist/comment
History Ancient	Wikipedia
History Medieval	Wikipedia
History Modern (Freedom Struggle)	Bipin chandra
Culture society	Wikipedia
Polity	D D BASU SUBHASH KASHYAP Laxmikanth But you may skip Basu and Kashyap.
Economy	Shyamsundar sir notes, Mrunal
Science	Wikipedia, Mrunal
Environment (theory + current)	Wikipedia
Geography Physical, World	GC LEONG
Geography India	NCERTs
other national/international current affairs	Mrunal
Schemes, Policy & Filler Stuff	Internet

Prelims (CSAT) Aptitude

Topic	strategy / booklist
Maths	didn’t read anytime at all for this section
reasoning	Nothing separately.
comprehension	Aspirants only focus on IAS related editorials but I advise them to read all variety of editorials in TheHindu. because directly/indirectly majority of the comprehensions are based on Hindu only. So, for at least one month you should read all the editorials from Hindu no matter whether they’re relevant to GS-syllabus or not. plus, Watch some good English movies and try to understand each and every phrase used. It will help you a lot. Trust me
Decision Making	Nothing separately.

Prelim accuracy

Q1. Did you attend any ‘mock tests’? do you think they’re necessary for success?

Yes, they help you gauze their level of preparation, keep competing with yourself and you are bound to improve.

Q2. Approximate no. of attempted answers vs. correct answers. in CSAT-2013

	MCQattempted	MCQ correct(Expected after checking at home)	official score
GS	100	72	125.34
aptitude	80	75	183.33
Total			309

Mains: Compulsory language paper

Compulsory language paper	Your preparation strategy / booklist?
English paper	nothing separately.
your regional language	Upkar hindi

Q2.other observations / tips / comments on the length / difficulty level of compulsory language papers in CSE-2013

It was pretty long in English so for non-English background student I would recommend to study Basic English grammar.

Mains: Essay

Q1. How did you prepare for the essay paper?

Nothing specific.

Q2. Which among essay did you write? What key points did you include in it?

I wrote on “Science and technology is the panacea for the growth and security of the nation.”

My Essay was centered around 4 key points

Brief history of development of Science & Tech in India and world,
how it has changed lives of people starting from industrial revolution
how does all the areas are affected by it
How science is both boon and bane as far as security and growth are concerned.

General studies paper 1

Q. Did you use frontline/EPW/Yojana magazines for mains?

I did not read frontline or EPW.
But yes I referred Yojana.

Topic	How did you prepare?
culture	culture syllabus is unlimited. no matter how much you prepare, it’ll be insufficient. but at the same time it’d be unwise to leave this topic entirely. Ignore: queens, kings, battles etc. prepare Architecture, religion, literature Old NCERT focus on the bold words, google them. As and where possible find google images, that’ll help you memorize better. especially in Architecture At max just need 20-30 keywords. Then add grammar so you’ll reach the 100 words limit.
Indian history	Spectrum Publication: A brief History of Modern India (Rajiv Ahir)
world history	Just wiki for those 7-8 core topics world history. additionally you may consult Norman Lowe time very less, so not much point in focusing too much here. better spend that much time on Ethics.
post-independence India	Starting with NCERT then make summary notes on major events such as Panchsheel, India-Pak, India-China, Green revolution, industrialization etc. If you’ve 1 year or more to prepare then read India after Independence by Ram Chandra Guha. But not like a novel-just focus on exam worthy points only. Otherwise ignore that book.
Indian society role of women, poverty etc. globalization on Indian society communalism, regionalism, secularism	NCERT sociology Class 11 and 12. Beyond that keep an eye on Hindu editorials. There is no need for any coaching material in this topic.
world geo physical	Goh Che Leong’s certificate in physical geography in that book, focus on part I. No need to focus on part II that much.
resource distribution factors for industrial location	There are just a few theories to prepare.
earthquake tsunami etc	GC Leong.
impact on flora-fauna	Nothing separately.

General studies (Mains) paper 2

Topic	How Did You Prepare?
Indian Constitution, devolution, dispute redressal etc. parliament, state Legislatures, executive-judiciary Various bodies: Constitutional, statutory.	M.Laxmikanth. current events from Hindu Various test series site upload mock questions on their sites, do solve them.
comparing Constitution with world	Notes from Ravindran Sir’s class.
ministries departments, welfare schemes, bodies, social sector, health, edu, HRD	Just basic features from India Yearbook. Don’t go in depth. Previously UPSC was focused on ‘depth’, nowadays just ‘range’.
pressure group, informal asso., NGO, SHG etc	Hindu editorials. No need for separate preparation.
Representation of people’s act	Internet and Wikipedia. just focused on the basic provisions only. No need to go through entire draft.
governance, transparency, accountability, role of civil service	Refer to my GS4 section.
e-governance	On pib.nic.in search “E-governance” to find out various projects by various ministries, How can it help implementing SEVOTTOMA etc.
India & neighbors bilateral/global grouping effect of foreign country policies on Indian interest diaspora	don’t waste time in old topics like NAM, Panchsheel etc. unless its finishing 50-60 question or some person in news. E.g. Death of Gujaral so, Gujaral doctrine was asked. Nowadays UPSC is only asking current based straight forward questions. so just focus on current issues from theHindu.
intl.bodies- structure mandate	WHO, UN and World bank group: prepare them in detail.beyond that just 15-17 bodies. Goto Wikipedia then one link leads to another and prepare basic features only. don’t go in detail. only read introductory paragraph in Wikipedia. We don’t have time to read everything and even if you do, you can’t memorize it much.

General studies (Mains) Paper 3

Topic	How Did You Prepare?
Indian economy, resource mobilization inclusive growth budgeting	Mostly relied on your site and economic survey. no need to consult Economic Times (ET), Financial Express or any such separate newspaper for economics.
major crops, irrigation	Class 11 and 12 NCERT Economics and Geography. India yearbook chapter on agriculture
agro produce – storage, marketing	Hindu and PIB
e-technology for famers
farm subsidies, MSP
PDS, buffer, food security
technology mission
animal rearing economics
food processing
land reforms	your own [Land Reform] article series under Mrunal.org/Polity. in fact I wrote the Bhoodan answer in Mains-2013 from there only.
liberalization	Class 11 and 12 NCERT Economics and Hindu
infrastructure, investment models	As such this is covered in Dutt Sundaram. But please avoid this book as it is written for those with economics optional.
science-tech day to day life Indian achievements in sci-tech awareness in IT, space, biotech, nano, IPR	Non-science students: prepare Class 7-10 (for prelims) NCERT class 12 biology selective reading of cutting of science page from Hindu’s Thursday edition Mrunal.org/snt
environmental impact assessment	Collected some internet material, while I’ll share soon.
Disaster Management	Prepared only introductory part from NDMA’s official site. Whenever you can’t understand any terminology just google it.
non state actors, internal security internal security – role of media, social networking site border Management organized crime, terrorism	Report of Home Ministry, and Pib.nic.in naxalism wikipedia hindu editorial
cyber security	Just basics from the ICERT official site.
money laundering	arthpedia.in
security agencies- structure mandate	just the main 5-7 bodies from Wikipedia. no need for coaching material here.

General Studies 4: Ethics, Integrity, aptitude

Q. 2^nd ARC report: how much did you prepare?

Ans. I only read its summary points. There is not much time left so it won’t be beneficial read the entire report- particularly for those without Public Administration optional.

Topic	How Did You Prepare?
ethics and interface, family, society and all the hathodaa topics	Moral Lexicon by Chronicle.
attitude, moral influence etc.
civil service: integrity, impartiality, tolerance to weak etc
emotional intelligence, its use in governance
moral thinkers of India and world
ethics in pub.ad, accountability, laws, rules etc.
corporate governance	Corporate social responsibility related provisions.
probity in governance, work culture	Moral Lexicon by Chronicle.
citizen charter, ethics code, work culture etc.
challenges of corruption
case studies on above topics

GS4 Ethics case study answers in Mains 2013

Q. in GS4 ethics papers, please give a sketchy overview of your case study answers:

case	your approach/ keypoints
1: RTI: To hide or not to hide	I’ll file RTI to get my mains answersheet. Then you upload it for the readers.Mrunal: awesome. You’ve 98 marks in ethics. It’ll be great to see your paper. Thanks in advance.
2: Engineer: Bogus flyover vs deadline
3: Child Labourers in Sivakasi
4: Nepotism in Job recruitment
5: Leaking information
Narrate one incident in your life when you were faced with such crisis of conscience and how you resolved the same.

Mains answer-writing?

Q1. How was your experience with the ‘fixed space’ answer sheet?

It was really nice experience, being a doctor I’m used to write to the point. But for non-science student, a word of caution, straight away jump to the answer, no need to give introduction, you won’t get time.

Q2. Did you write answers in bullet points or in paragraphs? Some players (who cleared mains and got interview call letter) were claiming that they wrote entire paper in bullet points, so it doesn’t matter….whether examiner is asking ‘examine, comment, discuss or xyz’….simply write in bullets and points.

That’s 100% true. Write as precise as possible. There is no time for flowery introduction and all that.

Q3. In GS papers, Since UPSC came with those 100 and 200 words questions. What was your approach in the exam .

I have followed a “9-8-7” strategy for each paper of General studies.

3 hours paper	finish __ questions
1^st hour	9
2^nd hour	8
3^rd hour	7
total	25 Q x 10m = 250m

For any topic just recollect 20-30 keywords. and once you add grammar to it, you’ve reached the wordlimit of 100-200 words.
UPSC is no longer about “depth” but range. Don’t waste time preparing every topic in extreme detail.
I’ve answered at least 95% questions. Whoever hasn’t followed similar strategy, he hasn’t found place in the top 100 ranking.

Mrunal comment: yes boss, you’ve ~100 marks in each GS paper except GS2. And despite the fact that panel give you only ~150 in interview (While others got ~200), still you’re 18^th ranker because of your awesomeness in general studies. In short, *RESPECT*.

Q4. How many marks worth questions did you skip/couldn’t finish in the GS papers?

I wrote something in all the questions.

Q5. Did you use highlighters / sketchpens in your answers?

Nope, highlighted with the same pen I was writing with.

Q6. Did you draw any diagram in any paper? (e.g. in GS1 Geography)

Yeah, lots of them

Q7. if yes, Did you draw diagrams with pencil or pen?

Pen only, you won’t get time to pick something else.

Q8. Did you use ruler to draw the lines in diagram? Or did you just make it by hand?

Hand, save time on fancy stuff, we are not Leonardo da vinci and examiner knows this

Q9. You wrote the answer in blue pen or black pen?

Black pen

(Mrunal – since readers keep mailing such queries, therefore I’m asking the topper to clear all the air haha.)

Medical Science Optional Subjects

Q1. How did you prepare Medical science optional?

Just read all your college books, notes and Google all the topics
As such MBBS is gigantic but UPSC syllabus has only 200-250 topics. After analyzing previous paper I saw there are 60-70 core topics from where majority of the questions come. I’ll share that list with the readers shortly.

Q2. Whenever a Doctor starts UPSC preparation the ‘experts / coaching sirs’ recommend him to opt for Public Administration, sociology, Literature etc. saying “you won’t be able to finish syllabus of medical science”. Your view?

Like I said, although MBBS course syllabus is gigantic but UPSC syllabus of medical science is shorter. Just focus on the syllabus points. You can manage it, like I’ve done.

Before the interview

Q1. How did you prepare for the interview? Particularly college graduation subjects related questions?

I graduated after my mains exam so remembered a lot of stuff, didn’t do anything separately.

Q2. Did you attend any mock interviews by coaching classes? how were they similar / different than official interview? do you believe it is necessary to attend mock interviews?

I did attend samkalp, it is a not for profit organisation . It is not necessary but it helps a lot

Q3. What did you wear? Some experts say coat is must, some say tie is must, and some say black shoes must. What attire did you pick up?

Light blue cotton shirt with filler sleeves, black trousers with black shoes and a belt.

Q4. Where did you stay for the interview? (Hotel / friend’s home …) and what books/material did you bring for the ‘revision before interview’?

AIIMS, my hostel room where I am staying for past 6 years. I did make personal notes and can upload them if needed.

During the interview

Q1. Who was the chairman of you interview board?

A.P. Singh

Q2. How long was the interview?

38 – 49 MINUTES

Q4. Please narrate your entire interview- what questions did they ask and what did you reply?

Q. Why do you want to be civil servant after graduating from best college of india. (AIIMS)

Yes AIIMS is the elite-most medical institute of India but still, the grass root situation hasn’t changed. Forget about medical care, even pure drinking water or basic sanitation is lacking. I wish to work at the grass root level, tackling the causes of problems and nipping them in the bud as I can’t do that as a Doctor, We can only cure not prevent the diseases. Provision of basic amenities like water, sanitation etc. that will prevent origin of diseases.

Q. You are the youngest person till date I have interviewed, don’t you think you will succumb to the political pressure.

The very face that I’m the youngest person means I haven’t spent 4 attempts in preparation. I’m not carrying any baggage, I have no dependents, I’ve nothing to lose. Therefore, I being the youngest person is least likely to succumb.

Q. Dowry is prevalent in your state, how will you refuse to take it.

Yes it is unfortunate, nowadays IAS-grooms are ‘selling’ for 50 lakhs and 1 crore but someone has to take a lead by refusing dowry. If I, as a civil servant, succumb to such bad practices what can be expected from a common fellow.

Q.What is relevance of ethics in medicine

Ethics is the corner stone of medicine. We get many poor-illiterate patients. They don’t know what is good for them, what is the bad for them. If the doctors start misusing their position to make quick material gains, then profession itself would be tainted. Medical practice without ethics, would be an abomination.

Then I was asked GK-type questions from my graduation and hobbies. Here are some samples:

What is BMI
What is a puzzle
From which country was rubik, what was his profession, how much do you take to solve a rubik cube, what is the world record?

Q5. Was your interview on the expected lines of what you had prepared or did they ask you totally unexpected questions? Was it a stress interview? If yes, how did you handle it?

If you’re well prepared there is nothing you can’t handle.

Q6. Any side details about technicalities like “make sure you bring xyz document, or you’ll face problem”?

Just take photo, graduation degree and a 10th certificate

Q7. Any word of wisdom / observations about medical checkup?

Just go there and come out, always wear spectacles.

CSE-2013 Marksheet

Essay	145
GS1	97
GS2	61
GS3	108
GS4	98
Medical Paper 1	109
Medical Paper 2	112
Written Total	730
Interview	154
Final total	884
Rank	18

Q. Your marks are awesome. You’ve bit low score in GS-2, but that has happened with every topper. Suppose you had to give exam again what change will you make in your preparation?

Whether I had revised twice, I would have revised it four times.
In certain areas, my study was focused on ‘terms’ and persons in news. Next time, I would have tried to get a holistic overall perspective of the given syllabus topics.
This time UPSC did not ask much on laws / current bills but we should prepare that as well.

Q. if you were made the UPSC chairman, what reforms will you initiate?

Candidates should be given more time to write answers peacefully. These mains papers were so long, felt like Gaddha majoori rather than articulating one’s views in the answersheet. What’s the point of this exercise, is it a writing-race?
Candidates should be told the criteria for evaluation. I’ve seen many hardworking candidates receiving very low scores. I had prepared and written GS2 paper sincerely, yet I’m given barely 61 marks.
UPSC should upload the prelim scores, cutoffs and answerkeys without waiting for the entire exam phase to complete.

Career Backup

Q1. If you were not selected, what was your career backup plan?

Would have continued as Jr.Resident in AIIMS.

Q2. When were you going to “execute” that backup plan? (e.g. after __ failed attempts/ after I cross __ age/after dad retires/after GF dumps me/ etc.)

Frankly speaking, I wouldn’t have given next attempt.

Insecurity about profile

Q. Many candidates prepare sincerely but constantly live under fear about ‘profile insecurity’. I’m not from a big college, I’m not from English medium, and I don’t have work-experience. What if they ask some stressful questions in the interview about this? What is your message to these candidates?

Fortunately I had a good profile. However, I just want to say that it is all in your head. It doesn’t matter to them if it doesn’t matter to you

Wisdom

Q. Through this journey and success, what have your learned? What is the wisdom of life and competition?

I’m still looking out for the so called wisdom, but fail frequently, earlier and faster than others.

Q. What is your message to the future aspirants?

Just decide if it is for you and jump into the midstream and forget everything any one ever told you. Most of the people lack intellectual prowess to decide what is the right thing to do. Always make your own rules and break them again and again till they start suiting you.

By the way, any doubts I can be reached through my facebook page: facebook.com/romansaini.official

Credit: Friends/family

Q. Behind every topper are many people who stood by during those uncertain times when he/she was merely an ‘aspirant’. Would you like to tell the world, who were those people in your case? Any specific incidence that you would like to share with the readers?

Nope, no one stood behind me. I was completely alone while I prepared for this exam.

BOGUS Marketing Propaganda

Q. You are well aware about the sacred rule of conducting topper’s interview- the last question must be about self-marketing. So, Did you use Mrunal.org for your preparation and if yes, how did it help you? And you can even reply “No”. I’ll publish your answer without tempering/editing it.

Yup, as I mentioned earlier I read your blog from time to time and just want you to tone down the sarcasm a bit. Otherwise continue the good work. You are really helping the poor and rural aspirants a lot.

Mrunal: thank you doctor for giving your prescription for Success. We wish you the best for the long career ahead, keep in touch.

490 Comments

ARUN 20/06/2014 at 10:06 pm - Reply

I am very much happy after readin Roman’s interview…watever the criticism ppl sayin…hez simply superb….durin the time of medical preparation its very tough to prepare for CSE… and abt his csat2 marks…itz possible…he didnt tell dat he hadnt prepared anything…he read hindu articles strictly…it helpd him alot for comprehension section…nd other areas many people i knw who cleared prelims not preparin seriously but solving question papers…that thing he also done…so CSAT2 he got without much preparation….he is very brilliant in memorisin the things and logicaly writin also…..hats of to u Dr. Roman…..
- Dr Roman Saini 20/06/2014 at 10:53 pm - Reply
  
  Thanks arun, people like you motivated me to write this article
  - vinay 20/06/2014 at 11:08 pm - Reply
    
    @Dr Roman —
    Once i read somewhere , ” People wont believe until you do this.”
    but now it seems like, ” Even if you do, people may find hard to believe you …” :)
  - ARUN 21/06/2014 at 10:01 am - Reply
    
    most welkome….Roman…..
    actually u even ready to share ur ethics answer papers without mindin abt d critical evaluation(of ur answr sheet) frm so called ‘critics’…..tatz fantastic coz i dnt think many of them will b ready to show their answer papers……….
    keep going….u wil surely hav a bright future………..
NARENDER 20/06/2014 at 10:38 pm - Reply

awesome Roman ji
MK 20/06/2014 at 10:55 pm - Reply

As Dr. Roman said , he is blessed with good memory and we should also appreciate that he has some gifted qualities. With Such extra-ordinary talent, he could have done better for humanity from Medical field itself by discovering some break through treatment for so many incurable disease. HE SHOULD HAVE LEFT THESE OFFICE BABU JOB FOR NORMAL PEOPLE… :) :) :)
bravo 20/06/2014 at 10:57 pm - Reply

AIR 18—- marks = 884 = Dr.Roman
AIR 117 — marks = 838 = gaurav
so within a gap of 46 marks there are 99 more people.

this is nt making sense to me..can some one explain this now.
- bravo 20/06/2014 at 11:43 pm - Reply
  
  well here it is..
  
  http://www.upsc.gov.in/general/faq.htm
  
  TIE PRINCIPLES – Wherever the two or more candidates have secured equal aggregate marks, the tie(s) is/are resolved in accordance with the principles approved by the Commission, viz.,
  
  (i) Candidate securing more marks in the Compulsory Papers and the Personality Test put together is to be ranked higher;
  
  (ii) In case where the marks mentioned at (i) above are equal, the candidate senior in age is to be ranked higher; and
  
  (iii) In case where the (i) and (ii) above are same, then the candidate getting more marks in the compulsory papers is to be ranked higher.
  
  so taking compulsory paper is damn necessary…just obtaining passing marks will not help!!!!
  
  may be I am wrong! since I am a novice….can some seniors/intellects decipher this for me?!
  - B 21/06/2014 at 12:51 am - Reply
    
    Yes, Mrunal et al.. Can someone verify this? How can age be a determinant of rank??
    - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 2:55 am - Reply
      
      It is the fact. It is maintained in other exams also like SSC CGL. By default, if X is older than Y, then X is more experienced for any task which does need not only muscle power but also decision making ability. Just like say, Sachin and a newcomer Satish is in the crease and Sachin is going through a terrible bad patch, while Satish played beautifully in Ranji matches. Still, Sachin is preferable in this condition and we all would expect him to make the winning runs for India, not Satish. I think, you can feel the reason now. It is not totally justified. But, by default it is taken.
      - B 21/06/2014 at 11:19 am
        
        See Kaushik if a Virat kohli never gets to play in pressure situations he won’t be able ever to become a replacement for Sachin Tendulkar. A dhoni could have never replaced a dada if decision making was the key. Performance has no relation with age. A 60 yr person/15 years boy can be found working more than a 25 year guys..
        
        understand it is by default and maybe continuing from some british era.. :D But it’s not justified.
    - Mehul 21/06/2014 at 8:11 am - Reply
      
      there is one more logic behind the higher age better rank rule:
      A younger candidate can re-appear in the exam to improve his rank.
      while some of the older candidate may not have age/attempt limit left to reappear in the exam.
      - B 21/06/2014 at 11:14 am
        
        Seriously? Are we into some mass recruitment programme? What is the probability of younger one clearing again? And how about the psychological impact of not getting selected coz of age and all the pressure leading to any wrong step by the kid? Going by talent’s logic the younger one should be given preference for doing something which others did way late in their lives.
        
        Anyways.Logically this should never be a criterion(likewise somebody will say give me job as i have applied the first day and have starting registration no). You can go for marks again and again for filtering… gs marks.. essay marks.. prelims marks.. csat marks.. paper1 marks.. paper2 marks.. Grad marks.. Inter marks.. high school marks.. Any marks but no age for god sake..!
    - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 4:17 pm - Reply
      
      I told you before that it may not be justified totally…
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 4:23 pm
        
        Dear B
        As you said giving rank by gs marks.. essay marks.. prelims marks.. csat marks.. paper1 marks.. paper2 marks.. Grad marks.. Inter marks.. high school marks……
        
        Why Prelims marks is included ??? Because, due to a verdict of SC, makrs in english paper is not used in making rank. Prelims possess english portion. then how it is justified ??? Again, how can you use graduation marks, higher secondary of 10th level marks?, because there are many many many borads, councils, universities which have different syllabus, different pattern of marking, so it is NOT justified at all too… It is even bad idea than the age….
narsimha 20/06/2014 at 10:59 pm - Reply

congratulations Dr.Roman
All the best
Hope you will make the difference through this service….
Thank you
ishan 20/06/2014 at 11:06 pm - Reply

It was really great to see some straight answers from you during the interview , to others that’s not arrogance that’s conviction , Roman i hope the idealist in you never dies , Bravo !! .
- Dr Roman Saini 20/06/2014 at 11:22 pm - Reply
  
  Thanks Ishan, really appreciate the comment. Hope i will serve the nation well
  - aayush 21/06/2014 at 3:45 am - Reply
    
    Felt disappointed after seeing the interview marks- 154 ??? I’ve read interview experiences of candidates securing 200+ and seriously feel this guy was much-much better. Straight- to the point answers with good command over the language and use of a fine vocabulary. Reading this article I believe this guy has a “no nonsense attitude” and would have given the interview with utmost confidence. What else does the UPSC board expect ?
    
    Moreover, look at his credentials:
    1. 1st attempt
    2. Youngest candidate
    3. Didn’t have to quit job/internship for preparation
    4. Every fickle minded person knows how much time wud someone get to prepare for CSE while being a student at the prestigious AIIMS
    
    Moreover, being a medical student he scored 183.33 in CSAT. Not even IIT graduates could score close to him. HATS OFF BRO !
rishi k 20/06/2014 at 11:09 pm - Reply

SIR,PLEASE TELL ME THAT IF YOU WROTE YOUR FNIAL YEAR EXAM BEFORE MAINS?ALSO PLEASE CARE TO SHARE HOW DID YOU GO TO AIIMS AT THE AGE OF 16,AT A TIME PEOPLE GO FOR 11TH STANDARD..SHOULD WE SUBMIT OUR DEGREE CERTIFICATE OR IN CASE OF INTERNSHIP PROVISIONAL CERTIFICATE AT THE TIME OF MAINS?
abhishek 20/06/2014 at 11:09 pm - Reply

All those people who are hard pressed on topper please stop doing this! mrunal sir works hard and tries to get all these interviews to motivate us! and all these things negate that spirit! u r comments may make someone to avoid giving their interview for the fear of facing such a criticism!
- vinay 20/06/2014 at 11:19 pm - Reply
  
  @Abhishek, very true. Focus should be on discussing the questions about the exams else this forum too shall become like rest
hari 20/06/2014 at 11:10 pm - Reply

I don’t know sab kee itni jal kyun rahee hain…….instead of appreciating his deeds many of you are criticising him……..I just wanna say roman all d very best for ur future life……..and make your life more inspiring………And yes one should be very frank about his/her opinion………lagta hain isse frankness ko loug attitude samajhtein hain
SUNIEL 20/06/2014 at 11:21 pm - Reply

regardless of their time nehru and lord curzon were similar in attitude and outcome.analyse=a previous year question of gs.regardless of their diverse backgrounds air rank 1x and rank xx are same in attitude and outcome-observe.try to answer this question when the 2nd ias topper of this category gives MOTIVATIONAL INTERVIEW.
संकल्प 20/06/2014 at 11:22 pm - Reply

You r just amazing
Congrats to ur great achievement…
I’M SURE ur CSP marks in top 5
Nandan S 20/06/2014 at 11:36 pm - Reply

briliant effort Dr. Saini
hope u turn out to be an excellent bureaucrat.
Johnny Banana 21/06/2014 at 12:10 am - Reply

Maybe the reason we have so diverse opinions is that there’s no “Right to Equality” in nature in contrast to the one guaranteed in our constitution. Every individual is unique and hence “unequal”. The trivial things such as “age of 16” really shouldn’t matter. A person having a good memory may not be good in some other aspect and vice versa. But it’s a truth universally acknowledged that a person who clears this exam has toiled hard at some point or the other. A successful candidate becomes a part of the bureaucracy and it’s “selected”, not elected. We should always look for ways to motivate ourselves, not the ways to find loopholes and stuff!

I congratulate Dr. Saini for his success!

PS That’s not my real name! :p
- Joseph 21/06/2014 at 2:42 am - Reply
  
  Your name rocks dude….ROFL…!! :D :D
fearless 21/06/2014 at 12:19 am - Reply

i know you dr. you were there in psychology class of pathak sir. i must say that u hav very good memory and u r hardworking as well. i personally got impressed when u were able to answer all questions in psycho clas in ONE BREATH WITHOUT PAUSE. wish you al the best. looking for some help from you in improving my writing speed as even knowing 20 to 21 quetions i could attempt around 15 max in gs papers. i regret this and looking for ur advise….
chacha chaudhary 21/06/2014 at 12:23 am - Reply

Dear doctor shab I am very much impressed with ur efforts n time management. India needs people of ur kind and we are lucky to have u as civil servent. I have a little doubt, u want to serve the national and solve basic problems of common men thats great but unfortunetly if u not get seleted then as u r saying u were not appearing 2014 onward then what happen to ur plan to serve common men n their basic needs. Dear doctor shab I am not questioning ur confidance but somee It may happen……I think board was not convience with ur answer of first question thats why u get 154….otherwise u were topper of cse 2013…..nyway thanks for sharing ur experince it is very useful…
ram 21/06/2014 at 12:44 am - Reply

Looks like the exm was more of a test of one’s temperament than knowledge..
ram 21/06/2014 at 12:46 am - Reply

Looks like the exam was more of a test of ones temperamemt thsn knowlefge.
etishreee 21/06/2014 at 12:51 am - Reply

Heatiest congratulations Roman!
it seems every rank 18 is alws under controversy…last year 2012UPSC topper tanu priya is one of my close friend who had also cracked the exam in 1st attempt along with her graduation in her BDS.when she had shared her success stratergy and plan,people shrugged and said that its impossible and she is lieing…but since i m her close friend i kno that she had told it all correct..
one advice to all people who are criticising or demoralising Roman should accept it first that nothing is impossible.the only difference between toppers and you is that ur mind cant think or reason beyond a limit..Respect and learn from successes instead of shrugging it off..nothing can be achieved if this you continue with this -ve attitude.

at last,once again congrats Roman…just keep urself aloof from these -ve thoughts..and hope you would do great in the new career and solve medical and health related issues of poor and common people of this country :)
- TARANATH PANDEY 21/06/2014 at 2:46 am - Reply
  
  I WENT THROGH TANU’S INTERVIEW AND COMMENTS.NO ONE WAS BEING NEGATIVE ON HER IN SAME WAY AS OVER THIS DOCTORJI.ARE YOU TRYING TO GAIN PUBLICITY YOURSELF OR TRYING TO REVIVE LAST YRS TOPPER.SHE IS IN SERVICE AND DOES NOT NEED PUBLICITY.I THINK THE NEGATIVITY AROSE AS HE IS CONTRADICTING HIMSELF IN VARIOUS PARTS.16 AGE AIIMS,GUITAR TRINITY COLLEGE LONDON AND PROFESSIONAL COURSE AS HOBBY.NO PREPRATION FOR CSAT,SAY NO TO COACHING ,SAME TIME VAJIRAM MATERIAL AND MOCK TESTS,,250 MIN PAPER,9,8.7 STRATEGY.ONE THING WHICH IS POSITIVE IS HIS ABILITY TO STUDY AND MEMMORISE.HE WROTE HIS MAINS BEFORE FINAL YEAR MBBS EXAM WHICH IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE.WITH THIS MARVELLOUS FEAT HE CAN AFFORD TO BE LITTLE ARROGANT.NO QUESTIONS ASKED.HE DID IT!
pankaj 21/06/2014 at 12:54 am - Reply

Upsc being the top level public service needs expertise from differernt fields,,and people joining this service from iit ,iim,aiims’certainly brings verstality to public services.happy to see that top level intellectual still service oriented,and they feel proud to see themselves as public servant
taste victory 21/06/2014 at 2:15 am - Reply

take a bow of respect dr.raman!!
am a doctor myself nd i knw hw internships are mandatory!!
dis is by far d best interview i read…u nt flauntin….is d best part…besides ur achievement nd d way u served ur strayegy…is impressive…kudos
TARANATH PANDEY 21/06/2014 at 2:26 am - Reply

AWESOME!DOCTOR AWESOME!GS MARKS MORE THAN FIRST RANKER.CONGRATS AND ALL THE BEST.SIR,STILL ONE DOUBT.AIIMS PROSPECTUS CLEARLY SAYS CANDIDATE HAS TO PASS 12TH AND SHOULD BE OF MINIMUM 17 YRS AGE.DR.C.V RAMAN WAS CONSIDERED AS A SPECIAL CASE AND PASSED TENTH STANDARD AT 10 YRS OF AGE OR SO.NOT SURE EXACTLY.HE WAS ALSO UNDERAGE AT PREUNIVERSITY AND GRADUATION.MAYBE THIS IS DEJAVU!
Joseph 21/06/2014 at 2:37 am - Reply

I dont care about the crediblity. But surely, the interview was a big confidence booster. Really, a need of the hour. Thanks doc. Thanks Mrunal. Both of you, take a bow!!
- RISHI.K 21/06/2014 at 3:03 am - Reply
  
  HOW CAN ONE’S CONFIDENCE BE BOOSTED BY READING SUCH AN INTERVIEW.IN MEDICAL TERMS IT IS LIKE INNATE OR INBORN IMMUNITY WHILE WE ARE ALL TRYING TO GET ACQUIRED IMMUNITY.SEE,WHAT I MEANT IS HE WAS IN AIIMS FOR 5 AND HALF YEARS WITH NO TOUCH OF APTITUDE.STILL HE GOT SUCH HIGH SCORE IN CSAT PAPER 2 WHICH IS DUE TO HIS INBORN INTELLIGENCE .WE TRY TO ACQUIRE THE ABILITY TO CLEAR CSAT BY PRACTICE.HOW CAN A MERE MORTAL BE LIKE NEWTON OR EINSTEIN OR C.V.RAMAN IN PHYSICS OR EUCLID OR RAMANUJA IN MATHS.IF YOU CAN BE LIKE ABOVE PEOPLE OR MOTIVATED TO BECOME LIKE THEM IT IS O.K.WELL AND GOOD.THIS INTERVIEW CAN BE MOTIVATING.NOT TAKING ANYTHING FROM DR.ROMAN SAINI I SALUTE HIS INTELLIGENCE.AIR 18 IN A NEWLY INTRODUCED SCHEME CONTRARY TO LAST 25 YEARS SCHEME OF MAINS IS NOT A CHILD’S PLAY.
  - Rohit 21/06/2014 at 5:48 am - Reply
    
    How can you rate his CSAT performance on the basis of touching book just before exam ?
    He might have done lot of hard work right from schooling and has a good grasp of concept. You cant lament why he did not prepare for CSAT exclusively. Its completely his choice and requirement.
    Its hard work and not any silver spoon in his mouth that brought him success.
kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 2:43 am - Reply

Dear Mr. Roman Saini, as I am a PhD student I want to ask you a question. Can you please tell me how a plain MBBS (bachelor degree in medicine) like you is called a Doctor himself in medical profession like you used Dr. as a prefix ?? What is the reason behind this ? Does your Certificate what you get after passing MBBS degree, entitles you as a Doctor and to use Dr. as a prefix ?? If a plain MBBS can you a Dr. prefix, then what is how the persons with Doctorate degree in medicine can be differentiated by their title ? Please clarify this thing. I think this issue is important enough to get a reply from you.
- RISHI.K 21/06/2014 at 2:52 am - Reply
  
  THIS QUESTION IS WHOLE NONSENSE.TO BE FAIR TO THIS TOPPER ,KAUSHIKJI ARE YOU AN ALIEN OR DIRECTLY FROM HEAVEN.MBBS,BDS,AYURVEDA,VETENARY ALL ARE DOCTORS.ARE YOU REALLY A PHD STUDENT?THEN PLEASE DO NOT ASK SUCH QUESTIONS IN PUBLIC FORUMS WHICH WILL MAKE YOU A TARGET OF RIDICULE.
  - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 10:32 am - Reply
    
    Come to Fluvial Mechanics Laboratory under Physics and Applied Mathematics Department of Indian Statistical Institute, Calcutta. You can see me. OR, search in Facebook by my name, I guess you can find me,
    
    Dear I did ask a valuable question. Dr. prefix is generally given to the Doctorate peoples in every fields from arts to science , , , You can see that in Doctorate degree certificate, the candidate is entitled with Doctor or Dr. prefix. Generally, if the Certificate of the degree in Medicine entitles anyone with Doctor or Dr. prefix, then he can use it, otherwise NOT. US, UK, Canada, India etc each country has its own rule decided by the government and the medical council whether to give Dr. prefix to the plain MBBS or NOT. Kindly STUDY before replying such bullshits.
    
    I asked in simple humble language to Mr. Roman Saini, not like your tone. Please grow up. The question relates with the rules and regulations and it does not harm to any people, from plain graduate to an MBBS or an PhD.
    - A S Basak 24/06/2014 at 1:56 pm - Reply
      
      Mr. Sarkar, or Dr. Sarkar, whatever it is, with all due respect, I have no doubt that you did quite a bit of studying up before you posted your comment above. And frankly speaking, I am a plain graduate, I do not have an audacity enough to find anything amiss with your comment. I would just like to point out a few things which would have been better not used when you are posting in a public forum.
      
      1. Fluvial Mechanics, is it? Does Fluvial Mechanics entail a person to understand a ‘tone’ from a written statement?
      2. MBBS people, I don’t really know if they are entitled to the prefix of Dr. or not, as I mentioned above, you must have made a lot of research before posting your remarks, but I personally think that their profession has a legal sanction behind the prefix. So, in that note, I sincerely wish that you don’t get sick anytime in your life, or you might have to go to a person whom you are egoistically reluctant to call ‘Doctor’, well, unless you directly approach someone who had already done his/her PhD. But of course, the world does not run on my personal opinion.
      3. You, Sir, are a PhD student, and it strikes a hell of a surprise in my spine, and you use a word such as ‘bullshit’ in a public forum. A person of your education and stature should know that words like this, when thrown around in public places are starred for the rest of the letters after mentioning only the first letter, like ‘b*******’.
      
      Since you can have the audacity to advise another person to ‘Kindly STUDY before replying such bullshits’, I may be ordained to have the audacity to advise you to get your education right.
      - kaushik sarkar 24/06/2014 at 2:39 pm
        
        First…. Search the WHOLE conversation, you can find that two or three persons here asked me WHETHER I AM A GENUINE PhD STUDENT OR NOT… That is the answer only. So, you probably did not read those.
        
        Second…. I am not Dr. Sarkar. You must know the rules. I am NOT ELIGIBLE TO WRITE Dr. Sarkar in Public forum or any occasions EXCEPT ACADEMIC PURPOSE, even after I get PhD degree.
        
        Third…. Yes IT IS FLUVIAL MECHANICS LABORATORY. Please find it in google search, OR YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY COME TO OUR LABORATORY. Your statement in (1) does not really make any sense to me. Many people asked whether I am a genuine student or Not, so I replied. There is nothing more. If you read all the conversations, then you can obviously find it.
        
        Fourth…. What I wrote about Dr. prefix, it totally the truth. There is a LOT of difference between what you are saying and what I said. ANY kind of DOCTORATE degree, may be in arts, science, technology, whether in history or in physics or in medicine, entitles the person with Dr. prefix. Doctorate does not only mean PhDs, but also MD, DO etc in case of subject: medicine, you can find in this link what I gave BEFORE in this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctorate.
        So, you are NOT RIGHT, when you said I should check whether the person is a PhD or not.
        
        Fifth…. I am NOT SIR. SIR is also a prefix which need A CERTIFICATE OF A DEGREE.
        We all mistakenly call a Teacher, or a Lecturer by Sir. It is NOT RIGHT too. THIS IS NOT CONVENTIONAL TOO…
        
        Sixth…. Bullshit means that has NO sense. I said someTHING is bullshit, NOT SOMEONE. So, there may NOT be any possibility of anyone’s personal harm, or I did not make PERSONAL ATTACK what YOU DID TO ME, when you said “I sincerely wish that you don’t get sick anytime in your life, or you might have to go to a person whom you are egoistically reluctant to call ‘Doctor’, well, unless you directly approach someone who had already done his/her PhD.”… So, you can recheck my all comments before saying anything like this. Again, b******* can mean a lot of things, generally people use this ****** when they are attacking personally to someone. As I told I DID use that word but INDICATED TO A THOUGHT OR A THING THAT HAS NO SENSE HAS NO MEANING, NOT A PERSON.
        
        Eighth and Lastly…. Kindly STUDY before replying with so much anger but containing NO idea at all.
- ARUN 21/06/2014 at 10:29 am - Reply
  
  haha….r u really a phD student…?? MBBS is enough for calling a persn doctor….even skool students knw abt this….It seems like u came from another plant and there only those who havin a ‘phD in medicine can call as doctor….isnt it….
  and one more thing….in our society MBBS doctor is much honourable position than a phD doctorate person….many of d phD wala doctorate holders takin degree after 35 nd still no regular jobs….nd in India most of d phD research works r bogus nd onion shell type…..
  - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 10:32 am - Reply
    
    Come to Fluvial Mechanics Laboratory under Physics and Applied Mathematics Department of Indian Statistical Institute, Calcutta. You can see me. OR, search in Facebook by my name, I guess you can find me,
    
    Dear I did ask a valuable question. Dr. prefix is generally given to the Doctorate peoples in every fields from arts to science , , , You can see that in Doctorate degree certificate, the candidate is entitled with Doctor or Dr. prefix. Generally, if the Certificate of the degree in Medicine entitles anyone with Doctor or Dr. prefix, then he can use it, otherwise NOT. US, UK, Canada, India etc each country has its own rule decided by the government and the medical council whether to give Dr. prefix to the plain MBBS or NOT. Kindly STUDY before replying such bullshits.
    
    I asked in simple humble language to Mr. Roman Saini, not like your tone. Please grow up. The question relates with the rules and regulations and it does not harm to any people, from plain graduate to an MBBS or an PhD.
    - RISHI.K 21/06/2014 at 11:54 am - Reply
      
      i am sorry.i did not know the fact that you never came across any MBBS doctors in your life till you SAW DR.ROMAN SAINI’S interview.doctorate is also given as honorary to some people excelling in artsi e artists.dr.KAMAL HAASAN=ACTOR,PRODUCER,DIRECTOR,SCRIPTWRITER,DR.K.J.YESUDAS=SINGER etc.IN INDIA A MBBS,BDS, VETINARY SURGEONS,AYURVEDA ARE ALL DOCTORS.IT SEEMS YOU ARE AN NRI.I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT OTHER COUNTRIES.IN INDIA IT IS LIKE THIS.PLEASE VISIT SOME HOSPITALS IN INDIA.I NEVER INTENTED TO BE RUDE,BUT ANY COMMON MAN WITH AVERAGE GENERAL KNOWLEDGE AND AWARENESS IKNOWS THAT MBBS PEOPLE ARE DOCTORS.IT IS LIKE AM MSC CHEMISTRY MAN TELLING TAT HE DO NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ATOM,MOLECULE AND MOLE.SORRY.I WILL TRY MY LEVEL BEST TO GROW UP. ARTICLE 18=ABOLITION OF TITLES EXCEPT MILITARY AND ACADEMIC,PREVENTS INDIAN CITIZEN FROM RECEIVING A TITLE FROM FOREIGN STATE ETC.MOREOVER AS PER ARTICLE 361 CERTAIN MEMBERS OF SOCIETY ARE TREATED DIFFERENTLY EX-LAWYERS ,DOCTORS,MEMBERS OF ARMED FORCES ETC BECAUSE SOME SPECIFIC RULES APPLIES TO THEM.ARTICLE 14 PROHIBITS CLASS LEGISLATION BUT IT DOES NOT PROHIBIT REASONABLE CLASSIFICATION FOUNDD ON AN INTELLIGIBLE DIFFERENCE.now i have to clarify whether doctors mentioned in it are medical doctors or Phd people.
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 12:45 pm
        
        There is different rule in using Dr. Prefix for a honorary degree and a pure doctorate degree holders. Can a plain mbbs be called a Doctor, in the certificate of mbbs degree are they entitled as doctors or Dr., that is my query. And by article 18, there is some restriction in using titles as I wanted to tell. So one cannot use it by their choice. There are many high court cases regarding this too. Please study.
        
        One more thing, by article 18(2) NO indian person can accept any title given by foreign state. Now you tell me, how personalities like Amitabh Bachchan, Ratan Tata etc accepted foreign honorary titles. I just wanted to clarify these things that is all.
        
        As I said honorary degree and real degree are different. Honorary degree holders cannot use Dr. Prefix. Again, titles like Bharat Ratna Padmasri etc cannot be used as prefix.
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 12:50 pm
        
        In each and every comment you post there are bunch of misconceptions and wrong infos. Plz do read my posts carefully. And respected Kamal Hasan is NOT Dr. Kamal Hasan. As I said honorary doctorate degree holders cannot use it as prefix.. Please study rather than commenting foolishly.
    - singh 21/06/2014 at 1:06 pm - Reply
      
      yes Mr. kaushik in our registration certificate Dr. is written as a prefix infront of our name…. Got it..
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 9:36 pm
        
        Please if you can provide links.
        
        I google searched on it, but find many many certificates of MCI without a Dr. prefix. Plz if you can share sample registration certificate link, then it will be fine.
    - ARUN 21/06/2014 at 3:19 pm - Reply
      
      Dear Kaushik
      
      If my words felt irritated am sorry for dat…..but am stern on my points..
      
      First of all u show the reference abt dis ‘Dr.’ rules instead of suggesting to go for a research or google check nd all….(coz u r saying opposite to a general belief …so itz ur responsibilty give a primary reference source, nd google is not a primary source of information tooo…)
      
      Many MBBS degree holders cracked IAS nd in newspapers nd magazines we usd to c Dr. nd many senior IAS officers using this title ( eg. Dr. B. Ashok IAS, kerala veterinary uty vice chancellor)….but i know everybody using doesnt mean dat it is like a rule or anything…but in this case it is not matching….
      Doctor or (in short DR. ) generally applies in both the academic field, for those who hold doctoral-level research degrees, and the clinical field, for those who hold medical degrees and/or related professional doctorates. “Registered medical practitioners” hold the degree of Bachelor of Medicine , though they are holders of bachelor-level degrees, history has allowed the use of the title doctor by physicians.
      
      second thing abt Research- The site which u given ‘Dear Kaushik
      
      If my words felt irritated am sorry for dat…..but am stern on my points..
      
      First of all u show the reference abt dis ‘Dr.’ rules instead of suggesting to go for a research or google check nd all….(coz u r saying opposite to a general belief …so itz ur responsibilty give a primary reference source, nd google is not a primary source of information tooo…)
      
      Many MBBS degree holders cracked IAS nd in newspapers nd magazines we usd to c Dr. nd many senior IAS officers using this title ( eg. Dr. B. Ashok IAS, kerala veterinary uty vice chancellor)….but i know everybody using doesnt mean dat it is like a rule or anything…but in this case it is not matching….
      Doctor or (in short DR. ) generally applies in both the academic field, for those who hold doctoral-level research degrees, and the clinical field, for those who hold medical degrees and/or related professional doctorates. “Registered medical practitioners” hold the degree of Bachelor of Medicine , though they are holders of bachelor-level degrees, history has allowed the use of the title doctor by physicians.
      
      second thing abt Research- The site which u given itself sayin India is behind 9 other countries in quantity wise (even though we r second most populated country)…and quality wise we cant even compare with developed countries…that is not surprising yaar coz ‘our investment fr ‘research and development is far lesser comparing with developed countries…yes our published works are many…but most of d research work in India lack original thought…U also know how we preparin nd collecting questionnair like stuffs….When i was in my post graduation i Filled some of my seniors questionair form even though i didnt want coz of lack of knowldge. but they insisted me to fill…these things r common in India…In a way we cant blame also…coz if investment and monetary benefits of Research scholars less in india in comparison to developed nations..
      
      one more thing many of the people i know they doing phD (after JRF) for getting monetary benefit…and they doing some other works along with research…u search in Mukherjee nagar ‘u can see many research scholars preparing for civil service seriously’ nd they doing phD mainly for 2 reasons…1) CS prepartn costly in Delhi-so 20000 per monthly is need for paying fees and other expenses. 2) They thinkin if they not cracking CS also one phD will be good for their future after break up.
      
      am not under estimating “Research” ….am a JRF holder…but for preparin CS am not doin phD…If am not cracking CS surely i will do research…
      - ARUN 21/06/2014 at 3:27 pm
        
        sorry in my last message …..mistakenly i repeated first 4 paragraph two times….
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 3:38 pm
        
        ::history has allowed the use of the title doctor by physicians::
        
        It does not make any sense at all. People like you who takes PhD as a secondary option is the main problem in indian research.
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 4:03 pm
        
        http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/Physios-are-not-doctors-says-IMA/articleshow/12256164.cms
        
        Please go through it. There are some lines about mbbs
  - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 10:46 am - Reply
    
    I urge Mr. Arun and Rishi to reply after a thoughtful STUDY on this case. Remember this is related to Article 18 of Indian Constitution too.
    - ramesh 21/06/2014 at 11:31 am - Reply
      
      go read article 18 yourself properly it bans hereditary titles not ones based on merit.
    - RISHI.K 21/06/2014 at 1:14 pm - Reply
      
      article 18(4)prohibits an individual from receiving any present,prices,emoluments from any foreign state without the permission of president.as i said article 361 needs clarification.TOLL CLARIFICATION COMES THIS IS A MATTER OF CONVENTION.THE COURT CASES YOU SAID ARE REGARDING HONORARY TITLES AND NOT AGAINST MEDICAL DOCTORS.I CITED THIS BECAUSE YOU SEEMED TO EMPHASIZE PHD HOLDERS.SEE IN VARIOUS NEWS PAPERS EVENT MAGAZINES THEY ARE WRITTEN LIKE -PADMASHEREE DR.KAMAL HAASAN,PADMASEREE DR.K.J .YESUDAS ETC.CASES ARE REGARDING THIS TYPE OF DR USAGE.AS PER YOUR STAND ONLY PHD WAALAS SHOULD BE CALLED DOCTORS AND MEDICAL DEGREE POST GRADUATE HOLDERS SHOULD BE CALLED ‘MEDICS’ OR SOME SUCH TERMS.THIS CASE SHOULD BE PUT IN FRONT OF IMA,IDAETC
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 1:40 pm
        
        Ohh commun Rishi, Magazines pe likkha hua hain Dr kamal hasan or Padmasri Manna Dey to iska matlab yeh nahi hai ke wo sahi hai.. This is my last urge to you to please study yourself by Books or by google search… Ridiculous arguments Rishi. Stop saying PhD walaas and all that, you sould be ashamed.
        
        I told about Article 18(2), ”which reads No citizen of India shall accept any title from any foreign State”. I said this in regarding the honorary titles given to many indian personalities by foreign states such as US UK France etc. So, article 18(4) and 361 do not matter for this.
        
        Search for court cases about mbbs bds or homeopath unani etc degree holders and eligibility of using Dr. prefix of them. Plese study Dear Rishi. Do not argue without any base.
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 2:11 pm
        
        For your study, I am giving you study material.. Please go to the link below…
        
        http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140412/nation-current-affairs/article/supreme-court-can’t-prefix-padma-shri
    - RISHI.K 21/06/2014 at 1:24 pm - Reply
      
      ONE MORE THING.THE WORD BUDGET IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE CONSTITUTION.STILL IT IS USED.PLEASE READ LAXMIKANTH OR ANY SUCH CONSTITUTION BOOKS WE CAN SEE SOME THINGS ARE DONE PER CONVENTION.IF YOU ARE CORRECT THEN ARTICLE 361 MUST BE PERTAINING TO LAWYERS,ARMED FORCES AND PHD DOCTORS. THEN IT IS MY MISTAKE .APOLOGIES.WE SHOULD FILE A PIL IN SUPREME COURT REGARDING THIS AND INTIMATE IMA AND VARIOUS STATE MEDICAL PRACTITINER’S ORGANISATIONS.
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 1:44 pm
        
        Yes, you and I should file a case or an RTI first preferably.
  - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 10:54 am - Reply
    
    Go to scimagojr.com..
    
    You can see that India is in the TOP 10 countries on an average regarding each and every field of research. So, your comments on bogus research in India has really NO SENSE at all. Please study before comment.
    - B 21/06/2014 at 11:27 am - Reply
      
      I second you. it’s just about presenting the data. We stand nowhere in research works AFAIK. People may be doing some useful research but the international community doesn’t find it so. The no of patents and even application for nobels can justify it!
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 12:28 pm
        
        The website link that I gave belongs to international community recognized research journals. So your comment cannot be right. You said about number of patents. Don’t you know there are thousands of difficulties to get a patent for research in country like India. You must consider this case.
      - B 21/06/2014 at 1:16 pm
        
        I meant you can compare the work. Not by ranking. We are 1/10th as compared to US in the link you gave only. Being second most populated country we are bound to have advantage over the smaller nations. The political will has to invest much more in R&D.
        
        just what i meant by presenting the data::
        http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/India-Lags-Far-Behind-China-US-in-Research-and-Development-Says-Report/2014/02/07/article2043292.ece
      - Jasper 21/06/2014 at 1:22 pm
        
        Though, none of my business here, but being a PhD student (not anymore) myself, my kind words to Kaushik: Let it go Man! In my personal opinion, successfully finishing a PhD is the most ardent task, specially here in India, because of meager stipend and woeful work culture in most of the research labs in India, no matter if in IITs, CSIR, or anywhere else. PhD students are treated badly with a sole assumption that they failed in their life and didn’t find a corporate job, so they joined PhD to survive. Similarly, the cost/effort & benefit ratio is highly skewed and eventually students pay price to follow their passion for science and technology with frustration and depression.
        I am not getting personal with you (as I was a doctorate student myself till few months back), just trying to lay out a cruel but crude general perception about doing a PhD (specially in Engineering. I think you are in applied sciences, so scenario might be a bit different there).
        Regarding the ‘Dr.’ issue, the discussion about prefixes is enlightening but pleas stop creating “Rai ka Pahaad” and “Baal ki Khaal”.
        
        No hard feelings and best of luck for efforts toward creating new science and technology :)
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 2:21 pm
        
        Dear Jasper,
        
        yes you are probably right about how PhD students are treated like…
        No, I am not from applied science background. I am an MSc in Physics for University of Calcutta and pursuing PhD, registered in Jadavpur University, west bengal and work in Fluvial Mechanics Laboratory of Indian Statistical Institute, Calcutta. I said all these as you guessed something about me which are not right.
    - ARUN 21/06/2014 at 3:34 pm - Reply
      
      If my words felt irritated am sorry for dat…..but am stern on my points..
      
      First of all u show the reference abt dis ‘Dr.’ rules instead of suggesting to go for a research or google check nd all….(coz u r saying opposite to a general belief …so itz ur responsibilty give a primary reference source, nd google is not a primary source of information tooo…)
      
      Many MBBS degree holders cracked IAS nd in newspapers nd magazines we usd to c Dr. nd many senior IAS officers using this title ( eg. Dr. B. Ashok IAS, kerala veterinary uty vice chancellor)….but i know everybody using doesnt mean dat it is like a rule or anything…but in this case it is not matching….
      Doctor or (in short DR. ) generally applies in both the academic field, for those who hold doctoral-level research degrees, and the clinical field, for those who hold medical degrees and/or related professional doctorates. “Registered medical practitioners” hold the degree of Bachelor of Medicine , though they are holders of bachelor-level degrees, history has allowed the use of the title doctor by physicians.
      
      second thing abt Research- The site which u given itself sayin India is behind 9 other countries in quantity wise (even though we r second most populated country)…and quality wise we cant even compare with developed countries…that is not surprising yaar coz ‘our investment fr ‘research and development is far lesser comparing with developed countries…yes our published works are many…but most of d research work in India lack original thought…U also know how we preparin nd collecting questionnair like stuffs….When i was in my post graduation i Filled some of my seniors questionair form even though i didnt want coz of lack of knowldge. but they insisted me to fill…these things r common in India…In a way we cant blame also…coz if investment and monetary benefits of Research scholars less in india in comparison to developed nations..
      
      one more thing many of the people i know they doing phD (after JRF) for getting monetary benefit…and they doing some other works along with research…u search in Mukherjee nagar ‘u can see many research scholars preparing for civil service seriously’ nd they doing phD mainly for 2 reasons…1) CS prepartn costly in Delhi-so 20000 per monthly is need for paying fees and other expenses. 2) They thinkin if they not cracking CS also one phD will be good for their future after break up.
      
      am not under estimating “Research” ….am a JRF holder…but for preparin CS am not doin phD…If am not cracking CS surely i will do research…
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 4:01 pm
        
        http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/Physios-are-not-doctors-says-IMA/articleshow/12256164.cms
        
        Please go through it. There are some lines about mbbs
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 4:03 pm
        
        Rest of the reply are at the above where you posted the same thing.
        Again, one typical issue is zyadatar Delhi walo samajhte hai ki Delhi=India. Please do not be tilted like them. Join PhD if you really love to do research, be a researcher by your choice not by the chance. It is a request.
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 7:22 pm
        
        Donot make yourself fool.. Read the FULL article before say anything… If you do that, you can find the following….
        
        “Even the ‘Dr’ prefix can be used only by those who are awarded PhD by a university. The MBBS graduates using the ‘Dr’ prefix can also be challenged legally. The issue has now come up before the high court and we are waiting for the verdict,” said Sreejith….
        
        So, you are going to be in BIGG trouble if you come in research. Please do not do that..
        So, I provided one link, but you missed out due to your foolishness and anxiety. So probably you need vitamin B12.
        And if you have to say anything to me, say in such language which is transparent to me, You used my name and said to Rishi with some language unknown to me. It is not good you know.
  - Jasper 23/06/2014 at 12:59 am - Reply
    
    By any chance, Are you Arun, M.Tech. IIT Kgp? just looking for a long lost acquaintance :)
    - ARUN 07/07/2014 at 12:11 pm - Reply
      
      NO Yaar. am not dat Arun…….
- B 21/06/2014 at 11:33 am - Reply
  
  You may be right.. But behaviorally we call a B.tech an enginner and an MBBS a doctor. It is just this tendency of ours.
  - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 1:50 pm - Reply
    
    I think you did not know about the link that I gave, so your tone is like you do not have great trust on that. Please then first try to know what are sci journals and the values of them.
    Yes, what you have said is the fact indeed if one search by the numbers. But as you told the investment of research and development is probably one of the MAIN issue. But you can not throw out the subject of Ranking at all. Can you ? Is it not worthy at all ?
    - B 21/06/2014 at 2:27 pm - Reply
      
      Investment + General Interest. Not many candidates interested in research. I have no idea about the aforesaid link and still for me it’s just a database of University of Granada.
      
      We can’t compare the rank by a total number, by an average may be(I don’t consider it an effective measure). If there is a ranking based on Journals/person.. Where will be India standing? any guesses?
      
      Let it be Kaushik. Nobody is ridiculing Indian research & development. It’s faring good and has a bright future like everything else in India.
      
      Cheers. gd lucks.
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 3:03 pm
        
        NOT you, but Rishi is ridiculously saying bad words towards PhD peoples.
        Dear B, you can search by ranking based on Journals by that same website. I understand that you have no idea about SCI journals. If possible if you are in touch with other researchers, please do ask about this. They may convince you better than I. Please go to the link below for a better understanding about sci,
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_Citation_Index
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 4:00 pm
        
        http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/Physios-are-not-doctors-says-IMA/articleshow/12256164.cms
        
        Please go through it. There are some lines about mbbs
  - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 1:54 pm - Reply
    
    Yes, I also believe that it is just a practice of saying any persons who give us medicines as doctors (Dr.).
    - Bond 21/06/2014 at 3:05 pm - Reply
      
      Bhai janedo yaar…. agar koi use bhi karta hai ya fhir Roman Saini ne use kiya bhi hai toh… kya ukhadlega tu.. janede bro
      - rd 21/06/2014 at 3:37 pm
        
        kaushik sir..
        the whole confusion is because of a basic misunderstanding in concept..
        there are two types of ”docterate degrees”..
        1st is ”professional docterate” which is for doctors by profession , as MBBS people are..
        2nd is ”academic docterate” which is for phd holders
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 4:00 pm
        
        http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/Physios-are-not-doctors-says-IMA/articleshow/12256164.cms
        
        Please go through it. There are some lines about mbbs
    - RISHI.K 21/06/2014 at 3:42 pm - Reply
      
      KAUSHIKJI,,I NEVER SAID ANY BAD WORDS ABOUT PHD PEOPLE.PHD WAALA WAS NOT INTENDED AS AN INSULT.JUST SAYING IN SHORT =FOR A PERSON WITH PHD HOLDER.I DID NOT SAY ANY THING ABOUT QUALITY OR INTEGRITY OF PHD PEOPLE.I JUST REACTED TO WHAT YOU SAID.SO NO APOLOGY FOR THAT AS I NEVER MEANT TO SAY BAD THINGS.NOW THE THING IS TO WHOM SHOULD WE FILE RTI REGARDING THIS,TO THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH OR HRD?
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 3:51 pm
        
        Dear Rishi..
        
        I may not be a hindi speaing person as I belong to the state of west bengal, still if someone read your full comment, can easily say how you treat PhDs. Moreover, there is a lot of difference in saying PhD walas and PhD log.
        
        I think, ministry of health pe kia ja sakta hai.
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 4:00 pm
        
        http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/Physios-are-not-doctors-says-IMA/articleshow/12256164.cms
        
        Please go through it. There are some lines about mbbs
      - RISHI.K 21/06/2014 at 4:08 pm
        
        KAUSHIJI YOU TELLING ME HINDI.WELL I AM FROM KERALA SO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH HINDI IS SPOKEN HERE,SO LOG AND WAALA DIFFERENCE GOT THROUGHME.SORRY IF THAT MEANT MISTREATING OR DISRESPECTING PHD.
    - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 3:43 pm - Reply
      
      Dear rd..
      
      professional doctorate ??? There is no such thing. Show documents if there is any. If the certificate of an mbbs does not entitle anyone as Doctor or Dr., (As I think, Medical council of India does not write this), then how can he be a Dr. ?? If one does doctor of medicine MD or other doctorate degree of medicine, then it is written as Dr……
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 3:46 pm
        
        Dear rd..
        I mean there is no such rule that mbbs are professional doctorate// They are not so. They are professional bachelors..
        go to link below
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctorate#Professional
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 3:59 pm
        
        http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/Physios-are-not-doctors-says-IMA/articleshow/12256164.cms
        
        Please go through it. There are some lines about mbbs
- Priya Garg 21/06/2014 at 12:10 pm - Reply
  
  Your query should be directed to Mrunal himself rather than Roman .( it was a slip on the site owner’s part )
  - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 4:31 pm - Reply
    
    Mr. Roman Saini himself replied to many people with the name of DR ROMAN SAINI. So, your argument is not justified
- Saurabh Ranjan 22/06/2014 at 6:38 pm - Reply
  
  MBBS Graduate gets Doctor Prefix after officially Registration with Delhi/any state Medical Council.
  Check http://delhimedicalcouncil.org/ >> Important Links >> Search your doctor
  http://primusitsolutions.net/dmcquery/third_page.php (almost at the end, There is name of Dr. Roman Saini with DMC/R/10114
  - kaushik sarkar 24/06/2014 at 7:05 pm - Reply
    
    Dear Saurabh..
    
    I think you already got my REPLY of YOUR EMAIL. You answer me there if you can. OR NO VALUE OF TALKING about “Doctor” and “Dr.” or anything here anymore.
    You can get millions of people who will support your statement, but the fact will remain fact..
- Kiranmoy Biswas 05/07/2014 at 5:43 am - Reply
  
  Mr kaushik sarkar
  This discussion is not right for here but you question is not wrong.
  You are right in questioning the applicability of Dr prefix for plain mbbs.
  But this is India…you must understand the mentality of ego our society has feed into us.
  A plain mbbs can not prefix dr if you go logically…but in India it is legal not by statue but by convention and proclamation ….by some heavy weights such as MCI.
  People in more developed countries don’t prefix dr even if they become MD….just flip some overseas books written by physicians and you will see the credits mention their qualification after their name without any dr prefix.
  They are called dr only in their place of work which is rightly the case.
  You see people in developed countries have enough self respect that they treat everyone of every profession with equality and honour and not boast that they are better than others.
  Doctors should rightly be called physicians instead which fits perfectly without the dr prefix.
  Medicine is just another profession but in India they are treated like gods.
  If someone worships you just because you can prefix a dr infront of your name ….why will anyone refrain from using one.
  We the public are Infact responsible for this social division…..by not treating medicine as just another profession….yes it’s noble but why aren’t other noble professions treated the same here….that is the question.
  Now we even have physiotherapists writing dr infront of their names…even though the Supreme Court has turned down their request of legalising it…..but how is stoping them.
  In developed countries when people become professors after doing phd…they refrain from writing dr as prefix …..instead calling themselves with prefix prof as they consider prof to be a higher honour than being a dr.
  In India just look at the respect and pay scale of scientists vis a vis physicians.
  Those who think your question is nonsense and that even school boys know it are still stuck in their school going age….and probably are no-changers and want to stay ignorant the rest of their life.
  And they form the majority of us….not much can be done until people’s view change.
  - Saurabh Ranjan, MBBS 05/07/2014 at 7:02 am - Reply
    
    You can not raise standard of Other profession,
    by demoralizing Doctors /Physicians.
    It is the return of the Hardwork & Service which physicians provide.
    If Doctorate /PhD too provide service to common public, they will also get respect.
    It is as simple as that.
    – Saurabh Ranjan
    MBBS
    - kaushik sarkar 07/07/2014 at 12:02 pm - Reply
      
      This is the funniest comment I ever received.
    - kaushik sarkar 07/07/2014 at 12:03 pm - Reply
      
      Btw, now you have cited yourself correctly.
  - kaushik sarkar 05/07/2014 at 12:19 pm - Reply
    
    Dear K Biswas.
    
    I guess my words are like melody tunes. At first look it may look absurd to maximum people and they feel attracted towards rock and jazz like things. But melody has its own charm and mesmerizing effect that can be felt after years. I am happy to see people like you. Never stop to hope. Hal chhero na bondu, Kanttho chharo jore.
- sikandar 05/07/2014 at 1:17 pm - Reply
  
  very right question kaushik bhai……….
  in MBBS,BDS,AYURVEDA,VETENARY walo me keeda hota hai…to write Dr. before their name :)
  i m telling u a real incident once in Pathak Sir’s class of psychology,he is fond of calling people Dr.Saab,he asked a boy what’s ur name ?
  student replied : Sir, my name is “Dr. Ashish”….. :D
  so, these guys are sick of calling themselves “Doctor”.
  
  Suppose if we start calling ourselves….Sir My name is “Er.Sikandar “……….the most ridiculous thing :)
  - kaushik sarkar 05/07/2014 at 1:28 pm - Reply
    
    Dear Sikandar
    
    Let’s call ourselves with ‘Indian’ as a prefix, as Indian Sikandar, or Indian Kaushik.
- Dr Varun 11/07/2014 at 9:47 am - Reply
  
  Kaushik , our mbbs degree carries a certification which grants you title of doctor plus we can practise in medicine or surgical field after MBBS.
  - Rahul 16/10/2014 at 2:27 am - Reply
    
    Somebody is seeking attention and u guys are giving just that. I wish Kaushik was sensible enough to know how to use Mrunal platform. But nice way of taking out frustration. And congrats Dr. Roman Saini.
kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 2:45 am - Reply

Dear Mr. Roman Saini, as I am a PhD student I want to ask you a question. Can you please tell me how a plain MBBS (bachelor degree in medicine) like you is called a Doctor himself in medical profession like you used Dr. as a prefix ?? What is the reason behind this ? Does your Certificate what you get after passing MBBS degree, entitles you as a Doctor and to use Dr. as a prefix ?? If a plain MBBS can use a Dr. prefix, then how the persons with Doctorate degree in medicine can be differentiated by their title ? Please clarify this thing. I think this issue is important enough to get a reply from you.
- Kkp 21/06/2014 at 4:39 am - Reply
  
  Seriously get a life stop being such a ……….. If you cannot appreciate someone at least don’t try to undermine them
  - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 10:32 am - Reply
    
    Come to Fluvial Mechanics Laboratory under Physics and Applied Mathematics Department of Indian Statistical Institute, Calcutta. You can see me. OR, search in Facebook by my name, I guess you can find me,
    
    Dear I did ask a valuable question. Dr. prefix is generally given to the Doctorate peoples in every fields from arts to science , , , You can see that in Doctorate degree certificate, the candidate is entitled with Doctor or Dr. prefix. Generally, if the Certificate of the degree in Medicine entitles anyone with Doctor or Dr. prefix, then he can use it, otherwise NOT. US, UK, Canada, India etc each country has its own rule decided by the government and the medical council whether to give Dr. prefix to the plain MBBS or NOT. Kindly STUDY before replying such bullshits.
    
    I asked in simple humble language to Mr. Roman Saini, not like your tone. Please grow up. The question relates with the rules and regulations and it does not harm to any people, from plain graduate to an MBBS or an PhD.
    - RISHI.K 21/06/2014 at 12:02 pm - Reply
      
      kaushik sir,hope your query have been answered partly.now i think mrunal can answer whetherin the classification in article 361LAWYERS,DOCTORS ,MEMBERS OF ARMED FORCES , -DOCTORS MEANS MEDICAL DOCTORS OR PHD PEOPLE.REGARDS
    - Latestarter 21/06/2014 at 1:28 pm - Reply
      
      oooooo dadaaaaaaaaaaa
      angry dadaaaaaaaaaaaa
      frustrated dadaaaaaaaa
      
      hope you don’t mind the new suffix :)
      Roman Saini, IAS or Roman Saini, MBBS
      Come on bro why don’t you grow up and use Mrunal.org as a prep platform. If you really want to know then why don’t you file RTI or search on google.
      Why don’t you ask Robert Vadra that why he get special treatment at Airport?
      
      OR
      WHY DON’T YOU KEEP CALM & ROLL ONE :P :P
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 2:15 pm
        
        Keep myself calm does not mean remain mourn seeing bullshit justification of one/two guys here.. I am not frustrated dear. Thank you for calling me dadaaa anyways.. :)
        
        Roman Saini, IAS or Roman Saini, MBBS — I have no problem is these.. But I questioned if he can write Dr. Roman Saini or Doctor Roman Saini , and by what rules ??
  - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 3:59 pm - Reply
    
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/Physios-are-not-doctors-says-IMA/articleshow/12256164.cms
    
    Please go through it. There are some lines about mbbs
    - RISHI.K 21/06/2014 at 4:02 pm - Reply
      
      http://toostep.com/debate/who-should-prefix-doctor-before-their-name .KAUSHIKJI I CAME ACROSS THIS.PLEASE CONSIDER THIS.
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 4:09 pm
        
        I think again you did not read the article and replied.. Please go through it first
    - Rajesh 21/06/2014 at 4:05 pm - Reply
      
      Go through the certificates issued by MCI(medical council of India) and VCI(veterinary council of India).They have clearly mentioned the prefix Dr.Open your eyes.
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 9:36 pm
        
        Please if you can provide links.
        
        I google searched on it, but find many many certificates of MCI without a Dr. prefix. Plz if you can share sample registration certificate link, then it will be fine.
    - ARUN 21/06/2014 at 5:03 pm - Reply
      
      haha….big joke…. first u read dat link…..i am from kerala…i knw abt dis issue…in dat article it is clearly written dat ‘physiotherapist’ cant use d prfix Dr.
      And dis issue put by medical council of India only…coz many of the BPT and MPT (bachelor of physiotherapy, master of physiotherapy) peple usin Dr. prefix. MCI is totally against dat….coz BPT is like a para-medical course…I hope u got my point….
      U tld “People like you who takes PhD as a secondary option is the main problem in indian research.”but tell me one thing….u r a research student still cdnt find a relevant reference or proof regarding this ‘DR’ prefix issue…?? Instead simply showin a newspaper report regardin complaint of MCI…..Datz a news not a authentic source….this type of research will make india flourish….
      nd if me type pepl r curse for research most of d ppl doin research r curse nly man ( am not denyin many people are dedicated only in research work…(If dat is d case i think u r also not different…coz u also busy in this site-IAS aspirant’s interview…though it is ur fundamental right to read)…none of ur statements r substantiantin or crossin my arguments and explanations…u cant even give a primary information source for ur findings…..then y simply throwin in d air….
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 7:14 pm
        
        I am sure you do not have enough time to read the FULL article, good bye, I cannot argue with you unless you do the task what I asked you to do.
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 7:21 pm
        
        Donot make yourself fool.. Read the FULL article before say anything… If you do that, you can find the following….
        
        “Even the ‘Dr’ prefix can be used only by those who are awarded PhD by a university. The MBBS graduates using the ‘Dr’ prefix can also be challenged legally. The issue has now come up before the high court and we are waiting for the verdict,” said Sreejith….
        
        So, you are going to be in BIGG trouble if you come in research. Please do not do that..
        So, I provided one link, but you missed out due to your foolishness and anxiety. So probably you need vitamin B12.
        And if you have to say anything to me, say in such language which is transparent to me, You used my name and said to Rishi with some language unknown to me. It is not good you know.
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 7:35 pm
        
        It is humorous that a court case and the saying of legal persons related to them is not relevant reference to you..
    - ARUN 21/06/2014 at 5:18 pm - Reply
      
      I didnt understand ur statement “zyadatar Delhi walo samajhte hai ki Delhi=India. Please do not be tilted like them”….i cant understand hindi dat much….. nd I didnt say anything abt Delhi…i said abt mukherjee nagar for givin u a point…nd in mukherjee nagar not only delhi people all state pepl there….(west bengal ppl too for preparin CS)…watever i didnt nderstand ur statement…..It seems u r tooo prejudice…..
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 7:21 pm
        
        Donot make yourself fool.. Read the FULL article before say anything… If you do that, you can find the following….
        
        “Even the ‘Dr’ prefix can be used only by those who are awarded PhD by a university. The MBBS graduates using the ‘Dr’ prefix can also be challenged legally. The issue has now come up before the high court and we are waiting for the verdict,” said Sreejith….
        
        So, you are going to be in BIGG trouble if you come in research. Please do not do that..
        So, I provided one link, but you missed out due to your foolishness and anxiety. So probably you need vitamin B12.
        And if you have to say anything to me, say in such language which is transparent to me, You used my name and said to Rishi with some language unknown to me. It is not good you know.
      - kaushik sarkar 21/06/2014 at 7:32 pm
        
        Dear Arun, in your comment you wrote the following…
        
        1) CS prepartn costly in Delhi-so 20000 per monthly is need for paying fees and other expenses. 2) They thinkin if they not cracking CS also one phD will be good for their future after break up….
        
        So I wrote about Delhi and mentality of zyadatar log of Delhi. I urged to do not be tilted like them and decide to choose PhD only if you are unable to crack CS. It would be pathetic for you. As I said in another post, do research by your choice, not by chance. Again, you did not read the full article of any of my provided link, and just continue arguing with me. This make no sense at all. It should not create any constructive discussion. So, take a pause and read my comments and those news before any comment.
    - ACIO 21/06/2014 at 9:09 pm - Reply
      
      Keno chudeya jachho dada??
      Eto chaap keno nichho???
- RAJ 23/06/2014 at 11:00 am - Reply
  
  Hi Mr kaushik , though u have raised a good point but instead of getting support u r being targeted this is our society, and indeed it is the main reason why we can never expect to see another ramanuj or others who made us proud by the great work in their respective field. and it’s neither the fault of mrunal nor of saini because our society is used to call Dr Saab to a plain MBBS holder. I know Mr saini is well known to the fact that practically he is not Dr but it’s the respect given to him by the our society. so clearly we should congratulate him on his great success. but the respect from your side would be more to Mr saini had he himself clarified about the main problems of ours. now a days higher education has no value and it’s because of our society. we are getting habitual to show over respect to particular post/candidate/profession resulting decline to that of other fields. for me a doctor is more important than an ias . and one more point if u r really doing research and u love it then don’t bother about the prefix Dr . I personally can’t appreciate Mr saini until he really does his work honestly and efficiently and he became known for his great works. till then best of luck from my side for future .
  and I request mrunal bhai to keep publishing interviews which can motivate the rural candidates having average profile.
  and Mr kaushik hope u will do something extraordinary so that others got motivated of you.
  - kaushik sarkar 24/06/2014 at 6:55 pm - Reply
    
    Thank you RAJ for best wishes. Yes that is my point of comment what you have said. And I congratulate him on his FACEBOOK account and said that I posted a query in Mrunal website please come and reply. Mr Saini replied in facebook just with another FACEBOOK ID of him without answer any in FACEBOOK or in Mrunal website.
    
    Yes Mrunal website is indeed very much helpful for all the aspirants. I requested Mr Mrunal to take care about this matter. He can obviously admit the FACT what I said and can comment to me in any other way. Rather he just take the matter as granted without giving it any value. This is the very FACT. As you said it is NOT a fault, but I just questioned to them and tried to figure it out what is RIGHT and JUSTIFIED. If I talk about another issue I can bet that more than 90 percent of indian citizen think HINDI is our NATIONAL LANGUAGE, what is totally wrong. You can find thousands of public forum, where mainly people with hindi mother tongue, repeatedly saying hindi is the national language. But when I said this is wrong and foolish tiltingness of mainly north Indian hindi bhasi people, then they are saying I am behaving rudely and talking against right to speech and etc etc…. This is our society as you said. But I am WHAT I AM. I shall repeatedly RAISE MY VOICE AGAINST ANYTHING THAT IS WRONG TO MY EYES..
    - Dipin Nair 24/06/2014 at 7:08 pm - Reply
      
      Kaushik,
      
      What will it take to end this discussion here and put everything to rest ? If you are preparing for UPSC kindly end this here and go back to studies, if not please avoid replying to everyone.I have subscribed to Mrunal and each time you guys comment and reply I get an email and this is very irritating.I want constructive questions and replies to reach me and not this Dr v/s PHD debate.Humble request as Mrunal already requested, please get back to studies all of you who are replying to Kaushik and that includes you also Kaushik.
      - kaushik sarkar 24/06/2014 at 7:16 pm
        
        Dear Nair
        You are getting reply because you clicked to notify you when there is any follow up comments or any new comments. NOT because of me. So, please rectify your thought.
        
        Now this is totally against my right to speech. I am answering those guys who replied me without any personal attack or race religion or sex discrimination. So, if you are trying to restrict my voice, you are basically acting against the constitution.
      - Dipin Nair 24/06/2014 at 7:29 pm
        
        Please continue.Enjoy your freedom of expression.Good luck !!!
      - kaushik sarkar 24/06/2014 at 7:35 pm
        
        We all should enjoy that.
        Try to have some patience, I replied to you repeatedly to check how much of it you have.
      - Dipin Nair 24/06/2014 at 10:43 pm
        
        Ok
    - NORTH INDIAN HINDI BHASI 29/06/2014 at 10:09 am - Reply
      
      another KARUNANIDHI is born,doing P.Hd
      - kaushik sarkar 05/07/2014 at 12:24 pm
        
        Dear what you have done, is something which can be treated as an offense by ipc.
      - kaushik sarkar 05/07/2014 at 12:30 pm
        
        As you can find thousands of websites where typical people mainly from north Indian cities talk about these kind of nonsense and against the constitutional provisions and when I tired to convince them showing some reference they are deliberately showing shameless behavior against me, what I refer to here in some previous posts. So, I can show evidence behind my speech. You can also find IFF. YOU POSSESS LOGICAL MINDSET. I guess your nickname here expresses all.
arm 21/06/2014 at 3:21 am - Reply

The talents like Dr Roman Saini must be respected. Cracking such a prestigious and obviously tough/enervating exam at such a tender age with ongoing academics is no simple feat. Moreover prior to
cracking CS exam he also made it into AIIMS which iteslf is a formidable achievement.
Some people are born with exceptional minds. There is nothing wrong in accepting it and appreciating it.
Congrats Dr Saini and wish u all the best for herculean task of nation building that awaits you.
etishreee 21/06/2014 at 6:08 am - Reply

To all the jealous people!winners dont do different things but they do things differently.”just read what he has msg for all future aspirants then you wd come to know where you hv got to work upon “. Always make your own rules and break them again and again till they start suiting you.”
Its his sheer hard work and smartness.Those who fail to analyse.just get this :

1.he studied wherever and whnever he got tym.(apart from daily 9hour study he dint miss even 15 min of spare tym You won’t get long stretches to study. 10-15 minutes here and there makes a lot of difference”).this shows his dedication.
2.Read his 9-8-7 and 20 key words stratergy given…had .n i m very sure this stratergy was developed on the spot.(doctors hv to come out with similar attitude on the spot during surgery a remarkable quality of doctor to respond to emergent and sudden situation…even UPSC exams implicitly says expect the unexpected.
3.his all replies and are so candid and honest without any icing on the cake thats why its down go down well for many people.
4.those who say that he is arrogant just by seeing his interview marks.plz dont b so prejudiced no arogant person will do what he will be doing for us (accepting mrunals request to file RTI for getting answer sheets for us)
5.those who criticise that he has done well only because of his medical paper just check urself again..he has done awsome in all GS papers.

please grow up!and stop making points just for the sake of critising him.It devalues the effort of Mrunal Sir also to keep us motivated..
Roman deserves a big salute and RESPECT
anoop 21/06/2014 at 6:51 am - Reply

Mrunal sir Kya kisi hindi medium candidate ne bhi qualify kiya h kya…agr ha to uska bhi interview post kijiye
- Rajesh P 11/07/2014 at 7:56 pm - Reply
  
  Do u people read Hindu/Indian Exp? Is there a single nwsppr in Hindi which match Hindu’s standard? then how will u qualify bro?
  - Anoop 14/07/2014 at 1:33 pm - Reply
    
    yes i read The hindu, TOI and indian express everyday. yes i can speak and write english. I completed Graduation in English medium however i choose hindi as my medium in upsc because i m comfortable with that. and if only reading newspapers is the key of success in UPSC then all aspirants giving attempt should be qualified . in my opinion languages are just medium to express yourself and your idea there is nothing bad of good in any language. there are lots of standard books available in hindi for civil services and yes some hindi aspirants find it very difficult to read an english newspaper but if you work hard nothing is impossible
Dr Aakanksha 21/06/2014 at 7:04 am - Reply

Congratulations Dr Roman Saini. This was one helluva interview with a topper. Your strategy of hitting the nail on the head and no frills etc is all we aspirants need when every where people just keep on adding to the pile of books and unnecessary stuff! Have not read such a straightforward interview ever. Thank you so much. This is going to help a lot.
Amit 21/06/2014 at 8:21 am - Reply

You are ROman Of UPSC Movie 2013….
Amit 21/06/2014 at 8:37 am - Reply

Forgot about Spiderman
Superman
Batman etc ….
And note that Upsc Movie 2013 has Real Hero ROman