- The structure of SBI PO Exam 2013
- Reasoning: Topicwise breakup SBI papers
- Reasoning: SSC vs SBI
- Reasoning approach: Higher Level
- 3 Statement Syllogism
- Reasoning Approach: Usual topics
- Reasoning: Peripheral Topics
- How people dig their grave in Bank PO/Clerk exams?
- So, How to avoid your grave?
- Cutoffs of SBI PO 2011 Exam
The structure of SBI PO Exam 2013
Phase 1 (28.04.2013) |
MCQ (2hrs) |
GA+Marketing+Computer | 50 |
Data Interpretation (DI) | 50 | ||
Reasoning | 50 | ||
English grammar, vocab and Comprehension | 50 | ||
Descriptive (1 hr) |
Essay, précis, letter writing | 50 | |
Total | 250 | ||
Phase 2 | GDPI | Group Discussion (GD) | 20 |
Personal Interview (PI) | 30 | ||
Total | 50 | ||
Final |
|
Reasoning: Topicwise breakup SBI papers
2011 | 2010 | 2010(Asso.Banks) | ||
Reasoning Usual |
Coding-Decoding | 6 | 3 | 5 |
Direction based tests | 0 | 2 | 1 | |
Dictionary (Alphabet) test | 0 | 2 | 3 | |
Maths operations, inequalities | 3 | 6 | 6 | |
Sitting arrangement | 13 | 5 | 5 | |
Eligibility Test | 0 | 5 | 5 | |
Odd pair | 3 | 0 | 0 | |
Data Sufficiency | 5 | 0 | 0 | |
Input output | 3 | 0 | 0 | |
Misc. | 0 | 2 | 0 | |
Subtotal: Reasoning (Usual) | 33 | 25 | 25 | |
Reasoning High Level |
Fact-assumption-inference-conclusion | 2 | 7 | 10 |
Course of Action | 0 | 6 | 0 | |
Cause effect | 1 | 2 | 0 | |
Strong/weak argument | 3 | 0 | 5 | |
3 statement Syllogism | 6 | 5 | 5 | |
Subtotal: Reasoning (Higher level) | 12 | 20 | 20 | |
Non Verbal | non-verbal (image based) | 5 | 5 | 5 |
Total: Verbal Reasoning (usual+higher)+Non verbal | 50 | 50 | 50 |
- 2008’s SBI PO paper doesn’t follow this pattern of “High level reasoning” (or tougher data interpretation Qs like those of 2010’s papers). Hence 2008 is ignored from the analysis.
Reasoning: SSC vs SBI PO
SSC |
SBI PO |
Non verbal reasoning involves usual image-series+ paper-folding, mirror reflection test, dice/cubes. | paper-folding, mirror test, dice/cubes= not asked. |
2 statement syllogism x at most 2 questions. | 3 statement syllogism, minimum 5 questions. |
Lot of Qs. From Analogy, series, and odd pairs. | Hardly. |
Barely any question on higher level reasoning.(assumption, inference etc.) | Lots of. |
Anyways, let’s start.For the purpose of efficient preparation, I classify reasoning topics into two categories.
Core topics | Majority of the reasoning is asked from these topics. Often in a set of “5 Questions.” So Cost:Benefit ratio is quite good, if you master these topics. |
Chillar (peripheral) | Barely 2-3 questions from each topic. |
Observe this chart:
Reasoning approach: Higher Level
Based on the previous papers of SBI, we can see that higher level reasoning is made up of following topics
- Fact-assumption-inference-conclusion
- Course of Action
- Cause effect
- Strong/weak argument
- Three Statement Syllogism
- While both R.S.Agarwal and BS Sijwali’s books have covered these topics,
- but problem with both of those books= they merely give you a few solved exams and then give a big list of practice questions.
- But the basic concepts/ theory /underlying principles are not covered in depth.
- Then You often face the doubt “why option A is the answer and why not “B” option?” OR “why is this an inference and not an assumption?”
- So, for SBI PO’s higher level reasoning questions (assumption, inference, strong/weak argument etc), refer to “Analytical Reasoning by MK Pandey (BSC publication)“
- MK Pandey not only helps you for Higher level reasoning, but also for provides some speed-techniques for usual reasoning topics (such as input output, arrangement, eligibility test, coded inequalities etc.)
Anyways the study approach for Higher level Reasoning (for SBI PO) should be like following:
Higher Reasoning Topic | Chapter Number | |
MK Pandey | RS Agarwal | |
|
3 | 3 |
|
5 | 5, 6 |
|
4, 9 | 2 |
|
10 | 8 |
|
6 | 4 |
For example, pickup the topic “Assumptions”.
- First understand theory from MK Pandey’s Chapter #3, solve all sums given in MK Pandey.
- Then move to RS Agarwal’s Chapter #3 for extra practice. (or if you’ve BS Sijwali, go to Chapter #23).
To solve the last three categories of questions (Strengthen / Weaken arguments, cause-effect, course of action), you must know what’re the facts, assumptions, inferences and conclusions in the given statements. Therefore, preparation sequence should be: assumption topic–>inference–>strengthen / weaken arguments and so on…
3 Statement Syllogism
All cats are dogs…..
To master 3 statement syllogism, first you’ve to master the 2-statement.Understand the UPUN method explain in these two articles articles:
Then do all sums given in Chapter 11 of MK Pandey and finally Chapter 1 of RS Agarwal (under Logic portion).
Reasoning Approach: Usual topics
In Decreasing priority order. | Chapter Number | |
MK Pandey | RS Agarwal | |
|
12 | 18 |
|
17,18,19 | 13 |
|
20 | 6 (Puzzle Test) |
|
7 | 17 |
|
13 to 16 | 7 |
Eligibility Test
First you’re given a passage with conditions like,
“Applications are invited for xyz post. If candidate has graduation with 50% marks and 3 years work experience…. then forward letter to Deputy manager, else …. forward letter to….”
- Then five questions are given, each has a unique case like “If Rahul Gandhi has **% in graduation and ** years of work ex and….then what to do?”
- This is known as “eligibility test”- very commonly asked in BankPO exams. Advantage=If you get the question, it’s a set of 4-5 questions. (helps you clear sectional cutoff).
- Problem=can be time consuming, if not practiced @home.
- First understand the techniques and tips given in Chapter 12 of MK Pandey. Then practice all the sums given in Chapter 18 of RS Agarwal.
Math Operations+Inequality
They’re usually of three types
Type | Example |
|
+ means x, x means – and.. |
|
P@Q means “P is not smaller than Q” P%Q means “P is neither smaller not equal to Q” |
|
P#Q means P is brother of Q P^Q means P is sister of Q |
- Again, math operation questions are pretty common in BankPO exams
- Problem= you may get wrong answer or waste lot of time.=need maximum practice at home.
- Approach: All theory and all sums of Chapter 17,18,19 of MK Pandey.
- Then practice all the sums given in Chapter 18 of RS Agarwal.
Sitting arrangement
Can be of following types
- Circular table
- Rectangular table
- Blood relations (A is mother of B who is sister of C and…)
- Appointment (Arranging lectures from Mon. to Sat., name of professors vs subjects)
- Complex (Person, building floor, occupation etc.)
- Advantage=Minimum 1 set (=5 questions) always asked in BankPO exam. (=helps clearing the sectional cutoffs).
- Problem= can be “sitters” (=very time consuming), If not practiced @home.
- Approach: Understand the techniques explained in Chapter 20 of MK Pandey.
- Then practice all the sums given in Chapter 6 (Puzzle Test) of RS Agarwal.
Non verbal
- Usually five questions.
- Practice is “must”. Try to solve the question by eliminating the “unfit” cases first.
- Solve all the questions in RS Agarwal==> Non Verbal portion ==>Series, Analogy and Classification.
- You may ignore mirrors and paper folding, because usually they’re usually not asked in BankPO exams. (However they’re important for SSC-CGL exam).
Data Sufficiency (DS)
- It is very easy to make mistakes in these question.
- Theoretical part must be absolutely clear in your mind.
- So first clear the theory from Chapter 7 of MK Pandey. Practice all exercises.
- Then practice all sums given in Chapter 17 of RS Agarwal.
Input Output
- Chapter 13 to 16 of MK Pandey then practice Chapter 7 of RS Agarwal.
This ends the core topics. Now, Moving to the peripheral topics (i.e. “Chillar” topics).
Reasoning: Peripheral Topics
Peripheral Topics | Chap.# in RS Agarwal |
|
4 |
|
8 |
|
10 |
DBT: Direction Based Test
E.g. A man walks 1 km towards East and then he turns to South and walks for 5 kms. Then he………Now how far is he from the starting point?
This is a “no-excuse” topic. Practice all sums given in Chapter 8 of RS Agarwal.
Coding Decoding
Can be of two types
Words | Numbers |
Health is written as GSKZDG then North will be written as | 453945 means “decide” then 8978 means… |
Sometimes you’re given a “matrix table” and you’ve to decode the words accordingly. Do all the sums given in Chapter #4 of RS Agarwal.
Dictionary (Alphabet) tests
Chapter #10 of RS Agarwal.
Misc.
- Once ^all of above is done, get an overview of the misc. topics such as sequence, series, odd pair, dice, cubes, clocks, calendars, Venn Diagrams etc. from RS Agarwal’s/BS Sijwali’s book.
- This concludes the preparation of reasoning section for SBI PO.
- How to approach GA+Marking+Computer, explained in separate article: click me (with free study material for computer, IT, economy etc.)
How people dig their own graves in Bank PO/Clerk exams?
- They underestimate the level of competition.
- They buy the books, magazines, download PDF files from internet and so on. But they only “gather” material. They never “process” the gathered material.
- They just spend time in day dreaming and facebook, TV, SMS, PC/mobile games, cricket, loitering around etc.
- They start serious preparation only AFTER receiving the exam call letter.
- During the exam, they think, “ya ya ya the marketing and English section is “pappu” so I’m going to solve all questions here. And after that, I’ll go to maths and reasoning section.”
- They get stuck in lengthy calculations of Data interpretation (because they’ve never practiced multiplication and division @home). And often make silly mistakes in calculation =negative marking.
- They waste lots of minutes in sitting arrangement/eligibility test/non-verbal reasoning type questions.
Ultimately they cannot even cross the sectional cutoffs.( Getting in the final merit list is a far cry.)
So, How to avoid your grave?
- Maximum revision + Maximum practice @home.
- Mind will always find excuses (my cousin’s wedding, workload @office, I’m not in the mood….) but while you’re making those excuses, someone somewhere is busy reading books and doing sums.
- The train of success doesnot show mercy on anyone, no matter how good the excuse is, this train will not wait for you.
- So always remember Anil Kapoor from Tezaab: “time hotaa nahi hai, time nikaalnaa padtaa hai”. (There is no time as such, but you’ve to take out time (to study)).”
- Donot “HATE” reasoning. In fact, Syllogism, sitting arrangement, eligibility test etc. reasoning questions can be solved with maximum accuracy in short time (once you’ve mastered them). So don’t consider them your enemies, make them your weapons. They’ll be immensely helpful in scoring high marks.
- When you get the question paper, you don’t have to solve all questions in a continuous sequence i.e. Reasoning question from 1 to 50. Then English 1 to 50 then DI from 1 to 50…
- Instead, first try to tick minimum 10-15 in each section first, and then come back and solve remaining questions.
Cutoffs of SBI PO 2011 Exam
Phase 1: sectional cutoffs (2010, 11)
2011 | 2010 | |||||||
Phase 1 | Max marks | SC/ST/PWD | OBC | GEN | SC/ST/PWD | OBC | GEN | |
English Language | 50 | 10 | 10 | 13 | 5 | 5 | 10 | |
General Awareness | 50 | 7 | 7 | 11 | 6 | 6 | 9 | |
DI | 50 | 10 | 10 | 13 | 4 | 4 | 8 | |
Reasoning | 50 | 10 | 10 | 13 | 8 | 8 | 12 | |
Descriptive | 50 | 18 | 18 | 20 | 18 | 18 | 20 |
Phase 1: Marks of last candidate
Now the marks scored by last candidate from Phase 1 to GDPI (Phase 2), in each category.
Phase 1(2011) | 250 |
SC/ST/PH | 88 |
OBC | 99 |
GEN | 110 |
Courtesy: Mr.csl80 of pagalguy forum, for providing the cut off data and other essential inputs regarding this exam.
gr8 article as always .. thanks mrunal sir
thanks..mrunal sir..we need that info very much…v vl try our best under ur guidence..as always…thnks..
thnks fr the article..appreciated…plzz also provide fr other topics-quantitative aptitude,GA,English..it wud b a gr8 hlp..
gr8 analysis but am working in a company where i am a site-engineer i travel daily till evening but i would like to prepare for this exam could u please find me solution.
Respected Sir,
I have been following your blog for quite a sometime time now and it has proved to be very helpful for me. My question to u is:
How many questions in each section would be enough to get the cut off marks clear???
sir,please give strategy for data interpretation also
nice article sir,real time analysis
thanks a lot sir…as always very informative.
thank you so much sir..
in The structure of SBI PO Exam 2013
Phase 1
GA+Marketing+Computer-50mks, what shall be the level of marketing and computer related questions??
mrunal sir please tell what to read for computer and marketing portion
wonderful mrunallllll!
Sir, can you kindly throw a light on extent of topics which comprise computer and marketing part..
thanks sir,
Hi Mrunal Sir,
Can you(or anyone out here) please clear whether final year graduation students are eligible for the exam or not. I have been trying on the contact number given in the adv. for quite long but most of the times it is busy or unresponsive.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks
Ruskin the pdf I have got for the SBI PO exam states you need to be a graduate in any discipline..
Thanks Suchi.
But then by the time results will be out, i’ll be a graduate. Hence the doubt. Are you sure that final year graduates can’t apply?
no u r not eligible complete graduation is must
read the advertisement carefully they had already mentioned that candidate must be a graduate and 21 year old till 1st jan 2013 ,so my brother you and me ,both are out of this exam :0 but dont loose hope ,prepare at home ,boost your preparation as we will fight for any next coming exam after wards july…?
thanks god bless you .
Dear Mrunal Sir,
I wonder how to explain the sense of relief we feel after finding everything at one place. Not many like you around! Its such a great help!
I would rather just say thanks a lot !!!
Alex
Thank you very much for responding to our requests.
thanx MRUNAL..
God Bless ya!!
Sir
Thanks for your approach & suggestions
Sir please give some suggestions for DI for sbi bank p.o
Thanks a lot..
Sir … U r doing very good work… I m fan of this forum…
This is for reasoning…
Please tell us about other 200 ( Ga+di+ english)
Topics also…
sir
i have not found questions on syllogisms in r s aggarwal verbal and non verbal reasoning book
kindly tell me if it is given in this book by some other name.
In RS Agarwal’s book, goto Section II Logical deduction, Chapter 1 (Logic). You’ll find the Syllogism question there.
brother you had very great work for all exam aspirants ,keep it up.
if you get time to write a enhanced article on hoe face GD ,ssb to join force ,that would be a great help for us.as we lacks proper guidance or self preparation matter on above subjected topics thanks.
GOD BLESS YOU.
Dear Mrunal, excellent work done by you. plz also suggest book for Dena Bank specialist officer for credit officer/FA.How to prepare professional knowledge section of it.
lots of Thanks
sir what about other subjects???
maths is not there in SBIPO ??
no di
Hey R.C VERMA bro plz clearly tell me yaar that whether quantitative aptitude is asked in SBI PO exam or not. By QA means I mean the traditional questions from Ratio & Proportion, Time & Distance, %age,profit and loss, S.I. and C.I. etc.
waiting for your reply..plz don’t lie bro
Regards!!
@Natasha Mam…so did u get d answer..plz share with all of us…m waiting mam.
Sir Ur Really Great.
Can u Guideline About English OBJECTIVE and also descriptive test please Sir.
sir please provide study plan & previous question paper of sbi po descriptive english .
Thanks a lot Mrunal sir,
Please write similar articles for English,Math,Computer,Marketing aptitude..asked in SBI PO.
It would be very kind of you sir.
SIR I HAVE TIME’S MATERIAL FOR CAT. IS THAT ENOUGH FOR SBI PO REASONING?
If I recall correctly, TIME’s CAT material doesn’t have non-verbal reasoning, strengthen-weaken argument.
(because CAT has FIJ: Fact inference judgement, so TIME’s material walks in a different direction in high level reasoning.).
however other stuff could be useful like syllogism, sitting arrangement etc.
CAT Does not as k “FIJ” Directly now , Although it was asked some years back.
Still , Obviously CAT is CAT what they do now is they ask by giving a Paragraph and then ask to determine the last sentence or the summary of the given paragraph which eventually is Inference and Judgement only.
thankx sir , thanx a lot lot lot of
we all salute u sir