- #1: UPSC age/attempt relaxation: DoPT elaborates further:
- Unofficial notes about age/attempt limit
- Q. what about IFoS exam?
- Q. What about JK residents and Ex-Servicemen?
- Q. Do Central service employees get additional age/attempt relaxation?
- Q. What counts as attempt?
- Q. When is the age counted? 1st August or 1st January?
- Q: is this age/attempt limit also valid for 2015, 2016, 2017? or is it only for 2015?
- Q. Creamy LAYER OBC = General = 6 attempts & 32 years
- Q: Changing category in between exams = permitted
- Q. Jat reservation in UPSC exam
- Non-cream layer jat outside those 9 states= General
- #2: Indian Engineering Service
- #3: NDA/NA Exam-I 2013 cutoffs
#1: UPSC age/attempt relaxation: DoPT elaborates further:
Feb 2014: Government approved two extra attempt for all categories in IAS/IPS exam (click me). But that notification was creating some confusion.
March 2014: now Department of Personnel and training (DoPT) issued a separate circular to elaborate the matter further. click me for the circular
Moral of that story circular is following:
General category
| before | AFTER | |
| attempt limit | 4 | 4+2 = 6 years |
| age limit | 30 years | 30+2=32 years |
OBC category
| before | AFTER | |
| attempt limit | 7 | 7+2=9 |
| age limit | 33 | 33+2=35 years |
SC/ST category
| before | AFTER | |
| attempt limit | unlimited | unlimited |
| age limit | 35 | 35+2=37 years |
PH category
| PH candidate from | before | AFTER | |
| PH from General/OBC category | attempt limit | 7 | 7+2=9 |
| age limit | 40 |
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| PH from SC/ST category | attempt limit | unlimited | unlimited |
| age limit | 40 | SC/ST PH: 35+12=47 years |
Unofficial notes about age/attempt limit
These are not given in the official circular, but frequently asked by readers. So I’m replying these based on the previous trend/system/rules of UPSC.
Q. what about IFoS exam?
Q. does this relaxed age/attempt limit also applicable in Indian forest services (IFoS) exam?
Ans. No. This relaxation only applies to Civil service exam (IAS/IPS).
Forest service (IFoS) is a separate exam- its age/attempt limit is counted separately. Only the preliminary exam of IAS and IFoS are common. Therefore, we should continue assuming that IFoS age/attempt=old system remains. (unless UPSC notification changes it on 17th May 2014.)
Q. What about JK residents and Ex-Servicemen?
Ans. Since the circular is silent about them. We can assume the old system continues for them. However, every JK and Ex-serviceman can also be classified under Gen/OBC/SC-ST/PH. and therefore benefits / gets hurts accordingly (depends on how UPSC interprets it!). For example:
| Before | after | |
| J&K resident (SC/ST) | 30+10=40 |
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I believe in view point #1. Let’s wait for the notification on 17th May.
Q. Do Central service employees get additional age/attempt relaxation?
Ans.
- No, for the IAS/IPS (Civil service exam).
- Yes, for CAPF (Assistant commandant exam)
Q. What counts as attempt?
- Appearing in the preliminary exam, count as attempt.
- Meaning, in past, if you had filled up the UPSC application form, but you remained ABSENT in the preliminary exam=> then it doesn’t count as attempt.
- If you wrote the preliminary exam, it counts as attempt. – Irrespective of whether you passed or failed.
Q. When is the age counted? 1st August or 1st January?
- Traditionally, UPSC civil service exam counted the age on 1st august of the given year.
- In Indian Engineering service exam, they count age on 1st January. But UPSC still silent on whether they’ll follow the same model for IAS/IPS exam or not? RTIs don’t reveal anything.
- So until any change is officially notified (on 17th May 2014), we should assume that for IAS/IPS (Civil service exam) exam, the Age limit is counted on 1st August.
- Meaning, as a general category candidate if you want to appear in 2014’s exam, YOU must not have crossed the 32 years on 1st August 2014.
Q: is this age/attempt limit also valid for 2015, 2016, 2017? or is it only for 2015?
Ans. I don’t know. And RTI is unlikely to reveal anything. Most likely the DoPT and UPSC will reply that “CPIO cannot predict the future course of action.”
Anyways, official notification of UPSC, will come on 17th May 2015. Hopefully that should throw some light. [This scenario is similar to optional subjects- no one knows when it’ll be removed from the mains exam, we can only come up with conspiracy theories.]
Q. Creamy LAYER OBC = General = 6 attempts & 32 years
- From above table, you can see OBC gets 9 attempts and 35 years.
- But that applies only to non-creamy layer OBC.
- It doesn’t apply to creamy layer OBC.
- for age/attempt limit: the creamy layer OBC is treated as General category candidate (meaning 6 attempt, 32 years).
In other words,
| OBC type | age limit | attempt limit |
| non-creamy layer | 35 | 9 |
| creamy layer | 32 | 6 |
How/why? Well observe the following screenshot of 2013’s application form. The UPSC form is designed in such way that creamy layer has to tick “General” category.
click me to enlarge
I repeat again, to claim OBC reservation benefit in UPSC, you need TWO certificates:
- OBC caste certificate
- Non-creamy layer certificate.
- Non creamy layer status depends on your parents’ income and property.
- It doesn’t depend on your income/property
- It doesn’t depend on your husband/wife’s income/property.
- If your mom/dad is government employee then INCOME criteria doesn’t apply. (e.g. if dad is class3 employee, then it doesn’t matter whether he gets 6 lakhs or 7 lakhs. You’re still non-cream layer. For more, read this PDF file click me)
Q: Changing category in between exams = permitted
Q. I had applied as general category in xyz year’s exam. But for 2014, I want to apply as OBC/SC/ST candidate. Is this permissible?
Ans. Yes. As long as you’ve the necessary documents. example, candidate gives 2012’s exam as gen and 2013’s as OBC.
Q. Jat reservation in UPSC exam
Q. This week (March 2014), cabinet cleared the file. So it’ll take some weeks before gazette notification is released. Only after that, local tehsildar/SDM/collector office will start issuing certificates. Can I claim reservation in in UPSC?
Ans. You’ve to keep two things in mind:
#1: closing date in normal circumstances:
- In UPSC exams, The closing date fixed for the receipt of the application is be treated as the date for determining the OBC status (including that of creamy layer) of the candidate.
- For 2014: UPSC prelim application starts from 17 May 2014 and ends at 16 June 2014.
- So, 16/06/2014 is the closing date.
#2: closing date in extra-ordinary circumstances:
(quoting UPSC notification from 2013): There may be a few cases where there was a little gap (say 2-3 months) between the issuance of a Government Notification enlisting a particular community in the list of any of the reserved communities and the date of submission of the application by the candidate. In such cases the request of change of community from general to reserved may be considered by the Commission on merit. In case of a candidate unfortunately becoming physically disabled during the course of the examination, the candidate should produce valid documents to enable the Commission to take a decision in the matter on merit.
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Non-cream layer jat outside those 9 states= General
OBC list is always “State-wise”. Cabinet has cleared OBC status only for the jats of nine states viz. Bihar, Gujarat, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Rajasthan, Uttarakhand, Uttar Pradesh and Delhi.
Meaning only the (non-creamy layer) Jats of those states will get OBC age/attempt benefit.
Consider this hypothetical situation:
A Jat candidate, who originally belongs to Madhya Pradesh but currently living in Delhi for last few months, to study in a coaching class. = No, he doesn’t get OBC reservation UNLESS he can prove that he is a domicile of Delhi. Meaning, he needs to show birth certificate, proof-of-resident/ration card/lightbill/phone bill etc.
If I recall correctly, Delhi sarkaar wants domicile proof that you/your parents are living in Delhi since 1993, only then you can get OBC certificate.
Moral of the story: you must have two certificates.
- OBC certificate (depends on state.)
- non-creamy layer certificate (depends on your parents’ income/property. BUT for government servent parents- it doesn’t depend on income but rank.)
Moving to the next topics:
#2 and #3 are based on RTI reply filed by Mr.Prashant Kumar.
#2: Indian Engineering Service
Q1. Can an engineer from Computer Science/Information technology eligible to sit in the exam? if yes, then under which subject (out of the four available) they may apply?
Q2. if a computer science candidate gets selected in another subject (Electrical, etc) is there any preference given to the Electrical candidate or all must be considered equal?
UPSC replies for Q1 and Q2:
The rules of ESE-2014 are yet to be finalized. However as per the rules of 2013, degree in engineering in any steam is essential educational qualification for appearing in the engineering service examination. A candidate may apply for the admission to the examination in respect of any one of the four categories of the services/posts viz. civil engineering or mechanical engineering or electronic engineering or electronics and telecommunication engineering.
Q3. Is there any provision or discussion over inclusion of Computer Science/ IT as one of the subjects in Engineering Service Exam in the coming years?
UPSC replies:
Query is hypothetical in nature and hence does not qualify as information as defined under section 2/F of the RTI act, 2005
Q4. What is the total time from Pre-Exam to Joining for a candidate in Engineering Service?
UPSC replies:
there is no such specific timeframe between the conduct of exam and joining of the candidate. It varies from year to year
Q5. How many Computer Science/IT students have applied and got selected in Engineering Service Exam 2011 and 2012?
UPSC replies:
The information regarding the qualification of candidates is neither compiled nor maintained in the manner asked for in the application. As such the information cannot be provided.
#3: NDA/NA Exam-I 2013 cutoffs
Q1. Please provide the cutoff marks for all categories in the NDA 2013 exam?
| NDA stage | marks secured by last candidate |
| written stage | 333/900 |
| final stage | 698/1800 |
Q2. Is the NDA cutoff paper-wise or overall?
UPSC replies: There is no separate paper wise cutoff in this exam.
Ref: scanned copy of UPSC RTI reply to Mr.Prashant Kumar.
Hi,
My father is a Police Sub-Inspector in TN and will be retire in another 2 years. Will I fall under non-creamy layer or creamy layer? Under which class does he fall?
Someone please reply as I’m totally confused on this.
Thank you
sir, pls respond to my query. i have just crossed 30 and 3 attempts for the exam last year. now it would be my 4th attempt. am i allowed for the same or the age relaxation is only for those who have exhausted all 4 attempts.
Hi All,
Kindly any could let me knw abt political science and International relations for Mains Optional i’e prons n cozs if i take it as optional without any tuition class,can we do self study?? can we do good score in mains??
shall i take it as optional being B.E graduate??
which is the better one among Geography and pol science upon relevance with Gs 1 to 5 papers in mains in current pattern??
hi
this is with reference to all those bullshitters who, claiming to have gleaned some information regarding the speculations of attempts and age relaxations after the first news came on the personnel ministry site,….. started posting messages on this site from some Facebook page. according to them, guys age limit was still 30 years for general and astonishingly guys exhausting their age in 2011 would have been able to write the CSE. on the top of that they claimed that the information was obtained from some delegation which met Rahul Ganhdhi…. I sincerely request such persons to stop making sensational claims and if they have some wild theories just refrain form babbling it out on a responsible site like this….. better restrain your stupidity to yourselves…..
i agree with you rahul…….this is negativisim at its worst…do u have ane idea whether this relaxation is for this year or for all years from now on.bcoz i got information that dp agarwal the current upsc chairman is dead against increasing age limit .plz clarify if you have any information
hi mrunal, just wana know can ppl outside a state apply for that state’s psc exam?
Dear Mirnul Sir,
My father is an advocate,can i use or apply OBC NON-Creamy certificate in UPSC.
Pls help me out.
Dear Sir
My birth date is 9th August 1983 and I took the test once. Am I eligible for one or two attempts according to the new rule?
sir i had got the response to age relaxation from you and it has come right…….i just want to know whether this age relaxation is for 2014 or for every year
Pls suggest on above query…
Sir,
I am a btech 8th sem student
And I am from general category. 3 and a half years later I had fallen down from my college hostel building at 2 nd floor, and I have a seriou injury in ma left leg, my left leg ankle were powered and doctors operated me and had a pop of six month, after 6 month my left leg ankle is tilt and from dat day I was unable to walk properly,cant run etc.
So I want to know dat I comes under ph or not.if else then in which ph I comea under 1,2,3.
A humble request u 2 sir to resolve my ph categories problem as soon as possible.
Thank u
well as we have the results of LOK SABHA ELECTIONS coming on 16th may,2014……….IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT THE NEW CENTRAL GOVERNMENT WITHDRAWS THE NEWLY MADE RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE INCREASED AGE LIMIT???????????COZ THE NOTIFICATION IS TO BE PUT OUT ON 17TH MAY,2014
@Mrunal sir,
Mine is a very special case.I had applied for C.S.E in 2012 (ie. when i had crossed 28 years but did not turn 29)[MY D.O.B is 12/11/1983] BUT DID NOT APPEAR for the PRE exam.Then i thought of appearing for it in the next year ie.2013,(WHICH Very clearly was my last chance)BUT i met with a very serious accident ,for which i was on medication for months and I COULDN’T even APPLY. (ie. technically upto my 30’s i haven’t appeared for c.s.e even ONCE)
Now with this new rule coming in I HAVE 2 ATTEMPTS IF THE Max. AGE LIMIT be considered 32.
My query to u SIR is that,SINCE I Haven’t GIVEN A SINGLE ATTEMPT before crossing the age limit of 30 years(PREVIOUS RULES), will i be considered under UPSC new rules and be allowed to appear upto the age of 32.What i mean to say that logically the new rule is for those who exhausted their previous attempts….BUT I Am the one who didn’t appear even once under the previous rules. I HOPE I Am ABLE To EXPRESS MY POINT To U….Please reply to my query
Thankyou and regards
Anoop Shukla
Allahabad (U.P.)
Hi i will be 32 in may 2014, can I avail the chance for UPSC exam this year. Also my brother is 31 yrs 2 months as in march 2014, can he appear for both 2014. And 2015 exams as 2 chances ve been increased for general category students
sir please give me information about the no of attempts in engg services examination ?
sir, tell me ..(i want to appear for the post of ias and engineering services in next year that is 2015 and i am residing in goa .how to apply for the same???when to get the form this yearand from where?)
my date of birth is 25th april 1994 . may i appear in IES -2015
What we have to fill in option> “Community certificate date”? I am confused between “date of OBC certificate issued to me” and “date on which my caste was included in OBC of our state”
same query.. reply needed from mrunal sir or experienced aspirant..
reply soon
The biggest problem in India is , every organisation including UPSC thinks, it is correct of what it is doing, but with lack of transparency. In a society like India, lack of transparency means giving room to political influence from back door, which no one denies in practical INDIA. No organization should be stubborn.
1. Certain statements from UPSC, example the final selection is based on relative marking and not absolute, how come all the posts are not filled. Relative marking should fill all the posts every year.
2. When even one mark per question gives a difference of 25 marks per subject-> means 200 marks overall, how can UPSC says, marks per question is not that Important->Does it means, that there is no evaluation mechanism to check the transparency in each question.
3. Every candidate who has concern is valid from his perspective.I read a statement given by UPSC in annual appraisal PDF, by saying that “Those who can not make it generally accuse”. I don’t appreciate this from an organization like UPSC.
Thanks,
Ganji.
In the IES they have taken 1 jan 2014 as the date for counting age will they consider the same in civil services exam also? Earlier in IES it was 1 august.
May be
RESPECTED SIR
MY DOB IS 16-12-1982, CAN I AM ELIGIBLE FOR CIVIL SERVICES 2014. SIR PL REPLY ME
SIR ,I HAVE A CONFUSION REGARDING NUMBER OF ATTEMPTS IF PERSON HAS APPEARED IFoS EXAM ONCE EARLIER…SINCE PRELIMS IS COMMON FOR BOTH CIVIL SERVICE AND FOREST EXAM, WILL NOW I HAVE 1 LESS ATTEMPT IF I PLAN TO APPEAR FOR CSE ? PLEASE CLARIFY ON THIS
THANKS
Dnt b confused,,just close your eyes,listen to your heart,think about God, parents,friends, and go ahead,,see you will conquer the world.
hi..can anyone tell me about age relaxation new notification..please clarify ….is it 30 +2 for general and 6 attempts or some changes or notification coming for it..pls tell me
Once the new notification comes and i read it, i ll tell you..dont worry
@Rashmi as per the guidelines issued by DoPT it will be 30+2 and 6 attempts. But, the UPSC calculates the age as on 1st of August. So if an aspirant is born before 1st August 1983, e.g 19th July 1983, he will get only one extra chance to appear in IAS exam. A detailed notification of this effect was scheduled to released by UPSC on 17/5/2014 but for some reason that has been postponed.
Sir I completed my 7 attempts in 2010. I am obc candidate. Now I am age 33 . According to new regulations I am getting 2 more attempts. But friends telling that those who completed attempts after or on c-sat 2011 are eligible. Sir plz clarify my doubts whetherI am eeligible another 2 attempts
It means, if you are a non creamy layer in OBC you should get obc certificate recently, it will be valid for 1 year, they are asking that certificate date only. if you are creamy layer no need for obc certificate date
what does “community certificate date * ” mean ? please help
Please tell what is community certificate date on my certificate?
Ok, OBC with non-Non-creamy layer required two certificate that are (OBC caste certificate,Non-creamy layer certificate) but which date I should enter on form for “community certificate date”, bcz my OBC caste certificate issued date is 07-08-2005 , Non-creamy layer certificate issued date is 04-05-2014
I have the same problem…Please clarify if you do find out what it is
facing same problem .. please someone clarify this
please tell what is it…same problem here with community date
Sir, I am appearing for ESE 2014 under General Category. Now I have OBC certificate. Can I apply for CSE 2014 under OBC category?
my frd already appeared upsc prelims exam before his final year degree,nw he finished his degree and he wants to give attempt this year.he belongs to sc,any problem wil arise for giving attempt in under graduation?
sir i rendered more than five year service as deputed ex army postal service personnel as a non regular army personnel with the same hardship as an army personnel. now sir i want to know whther am i also eligible for getting the benfits of age relaxation . at present i am serving in ag audit deptt as an auditor after resigning technically from aps. pls clarify me. i shall remain ever grateful to u for doing the same.
sir, im entering my final year engineering now, my d.o.b is 28/09/1994, i want to know whether im eligible for upsc exam 2015
Sir, Can you please help me on “Community Certificate Date”?
As you mentioned we need to have two certificates(OBC, Non Creamy layer certificates). So, which certificate holds “Community Certificate Date”. And I had OBC certificate which was issued in 2005. Is this sufficient or do I need to apply again?