[Taxation] Advance Pricing Agreement, Arm’s Length, Vodafone Transfer Pricing, DTC, GAAR, Advance Tax ruling explained

By Support Staff|2015-01-26T17:45:44+05:3023/07/2014|Categories: Economy|Tags: EcoPill3-Fiscal, shivaram|393 Comments

Prologue

Sidenote: Madhya Pradesh MPPSC prelim hallticket uploaded click me.

After Budget 2014, six terms in news:

Transfer Pricing
Advanced Pricing agreements (APA), roll back provision
Arm’s length price
Advance Tax Ruling
Direct tax code
GAAR, Shome Panel

All of them aim to reduce tax litigation, have direct-indirect connection with Vodafone case. So let’s refresh those old concepts.

What is Capital Gains Tax (CGT)?

is a direct tax
Levied on profit, when you sell capital assets (shares, gold etc)
Matter falls under IT department, because it’s a direct tax.

Capital gains Tax Application:
applies to	doesn’t apply to
shares, bonds, Mutual fund etc. financial assets land, house, office, building, factory, machinery gold, diamond, jewelry, precious stones and metals. archaeological collection, drawings, paintings, sculptures etc.	Agricultural land Personal articles such as furniture, cloths, belt, shoes, wallet etc.

More given in the appendix, about short term vs long term CGT.

CGT & Withholding norms (TDS)

1 Witholding Tax TDS in Capital Gains tax

Assume Kishor Biyani wants to sell Pantaloon company to Kumar Mangalam Birla at profit of 1000 crore and has to pay 100 crore CGT to income tax department.
In real life, seller (Kishor) himself doesn’t need to pay 100 Crore CGT to Government.
Buyer (Birla) will have to keep aside 100 crore for government, and pay only 1000-100=900 crores to Biyani. Observe following photo

This is called withholding norms or Tax deduction at source (TDS).

Question: If income tax department doesn’t get the tax, then whom should they send notice- Buyer or Seller?

Ans. Buyer. Birla in Pantaloon deal and Vodafone in Hutch deal.

Vodafone CGT

2 Vodafone Hutch deal Capital Gain Tax Cayman Islands

Hutchison (Hongkong) own a company called CGP investment Holding ltd, (Cayman Island)
CGP owns 67% shares of Hutch-Essar India.
Vodafone (HQ London), tells its subsidiary in Netherland, to purchase Cayman Island Company from Hutch (Hongkong) for the price of 11 billion dollars (~55k crore rupee that time)
Now Vodafone owns CGP, therefore, and thus indirectly owns Hutch-Essar India also. Because CGP owned 67% shares of Hutch Essar India.

Ok so what’s happening?

A buyer (Vodafone) has (indirectly) purchased shares (of an Indian company) from a seller (Hutch).
So, does Buyer (Vodafone) have to pay Capital Gains Tax, in India?

CGT applies or not?
Vodafone’s version	Income Tax Department says
We’ve not purchased “Hutch Essar”, we purchased CGP. CGP is not an Indian company, so you cannot demand any tax from us.	CGP is a post box company in a tax haven. It doesn’t produce any mobile phones or desi-liquor bottles, then why have you given 55k crores for it? Obviously, to control those 67% shares in Hutch-Essar India! therefore, CGP’s valuation is based on an Indian asset (shares of Hutch-Essar) Therefore, we can, and we will demand capital gains tax.

Matter goes to Income tax Appellate tribunal (ITAT) and then to court:

Taarikh Pe Taarikh
Year	court judgment
2010	Bombay Highcourt says government right, Vodafone wrong. orders Vodafone to pay the taxes
2012	Supreme Court says government wrong, Vodafone right. Under the current Income Tax act 1961, Income tax Department has NO jurisdiction in this matter, when companies trading assets outside India (CGP ltd in Cayman Islands).

Then Finance Minister Pranab doesn’t like it. Not one bit. So, he issues a clarification in IT act.

IT Act 1961: Clarification (2012)

We can demand Capital gains Tax, when a foreign company is sold. IF that foreign company’s value is derived from Indian Assets. (e.g. CGP valued at 55k crore, because it owned HutchEssar India’s shares).
Then, for tax purpose, we’ll consider them Indian companies, and demand capital gains tax.
This provision will apply to all deals from 1962 onwards (hence called “Retrospective”.)

So, even after winning case in Supreme court, Vodafone’ trouble did not end.

Income tax department again sends notice for the same Capital gains tax.

Direct Tax Code (DTC)

Direct Tax Code aims to replace the Income Tax Act of 1961

Timeline of Direct Tax Code
2010	DTC Bill introduced. Sent to Parliament’s standing Committee on Finance. Committee proposed changed.
2014, March	Chindu uploads revised (draft) Direct Tax Code 2013 on Finance ministry website, to seek juntaa’s opinion on it.
2014, May	Direct Tax bill lapses with “THE END” of 15^th Lok Sabha.

Then, should we prepare DTC for exams?

Yes, because

Economic survey 2013: recommended implementing DTC.
Budget 2014: Jaitley said “we’ll implement DTC, after reviewing juntaa’s comments and consulting with experts.”

DTC and Indirect transfers

DTC aims to fix discrepancies in Income Tax Act, so that Vodafone like cases, do not happen again. Under DTC:

“Indirect (asset) transfers” will be taxed in India, IF the companies involved, have at least 50 percent of their assets located in India.
For example, Vodafone bought CGP investment ltd for ~55k crore rupees, because CGP owned 67% shares of Hutch-Essar India.
Therefore, income tax department can demand Capital gains tax from Vodafone. (recall: Buyer pays CGT)

Limitation: what if they create three separate post box companies each owning 30-30-30%!

DTC also provided tax on “software Royalties” (with respect to that Nokia case click me)

Direct taxes: DTC vs. Budget-2014

Comparision: Budget provisions vs DTC proposals
taxable income	Budget 2014	DTC proposed
2.5 lakh to 5 lakh	10	2 lakh to 5 lakh slab: 10%
>5 lakh-upto 10 lakh	20	20%
>10 lakh	30	30%
>10 crore	—	35%
dividend >1 crore	—	additional 10%
1% Wealth Tax,For assets above 30 lakhs	Yes, but only on physical assets.	Wealth tax on both: physical assets (gold, real estate etc) financial assets (shares, bonds, MF etc)

DTC also provide plus higher slabs to senior citizens, and many other technical reforms.
More on budget 2014’s direct-indirect taxes in separate articles. So far we’ve learned; what is CGT, How Vodafone avoided CGT, What’s the provisions in DTC to prevent such cases in future?

Moving to next topic

Tax Avoidance and GAAR

What’s the difference?
Tax Evasion	Tax Avoidance
Income, sell-purchase is hidden from tax authorities.	all deals open- mentioned in their account books and shareholder meetings.
Example: builder sells a property for 10 lakh, but accept only 1 lakh via cheque, remaining 9 lakh via cash. (to evade stamp duty).	Example: this Vodafone case. They purchased an Indian company (Hutch-Essar) via purchasing an intermediary company (CGP) in a tax haven.
Income tax act already has clear cut penalties for this.	Income tax Act has grey areas, loopholes for this. Recall Supreme court ruled in favor of Vodafone because matter outside IT dept’s jurisdiction.

Vodafone isn’t the only company that has avoided tax.

More cases of (alleged) Tax Avoidance
MNC giant	Bought Indian Company	Via intermediary in
Vodafone	Hutch Essay	Cayman Island
Sanofi Aventis	Shantha biotech	French
General Electric	GenPact India.	Luxemburg
Vedanta	Sesa Goa	Cyprus

Like ^this, MNC giants have avoided ~40,000 crore rupees of capital gains Tax from India. This money could have been used for financing fiscal deficit, inflation control, and Sarkaari schemes!
Therefore, Government decided to make new rules to stop this menace.

And, thus we come to next topic:

What is GAAR?

General Anti Avoidance Rules.
Originally mentioned in Budget 2012. They were to be implemented from 1/4/2014.
IT commissioner take action against business deal made outside India, to avoid taxes.
He can send notice to Indian Citizen, NRI, Foreigners, to recover such money:
- Even if they’re living outside India.
- Even for retrospective deals i.e. deals happened before GAAR was implemented
- Even if deals protected under any Double taxation avoidance agreement treaty.
Burden of proof lies with the party and not IT commissioner i.e. Company has to explain their deal is genuine.
IT commissioner has to decide the case within 12 months. Aggrieved party can approach Dispute resolution Panel (DRP) => Income Tax Appellate Tribunal (ITAT) => HC and finally Supreme Court.
GAAR not a completely new invention. China, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Germany, France, S.America etc already have similar concepts.

Obviously MNCs wouldn’t like it. Not one bit. They lobbied hard, finally government setup a panel under Parthsarthi Shome Panel to review the GAAR rules.

Shome Panel on GAAR

Recommended following:

IT commissioner should send notices only in rare cases- where he can recover more than 3 crore rupees.
GAAR should not be used for filling revenue shortfalls. Revenue shortfall occurs when government’s revenue collection is less than expected because of inflation, policy paralysis, global slowdown etc. So in such cases, GAAR should not be used for extracting more money from corporates to finance Bogus Sarkaari schemes.
For retrospective cases- only recover tax dues. Don’t demand additional penalty and interest rate on such retrospective cases.
Exempt the buying/selling of company shares from Capital gains tax. Better just increase the Securities Transaction Tax (STT) on buying/selling of such shares. Then, there is no litigation about “CGT evasion via post box company”. Problem permanently solved.
Don’t implement GAAR from 2014. Implement it from April 2016.

For more GAAR features, pro and anti arguments click me

What would General Dong (Amrish Puri) sing for this gentleman?

What happened after Shome?
Budget 2013	Chindu says we’ll implement GAAR from 1/4/2016
Sept 2013	Chindu says following GAAR notices only for deals after 31^st august 2010 GAAR notices, only if benefit more than 3 crores. GAAR will be effective from 1^st April 2015 IT officials will have to first send show cause notice and person will be given opportunity to present his side.
Budget 2014	Jaitley silent on GAAR
Nirmala Sitharaman	Minister of State for Finance. After budget, she replied in parliament, “GAAR will be applicable from 1^st April 2015.” Investors get scared, BSE-SENSEX collapses by ~350 points.
Shaktikanta Das	Revenue Secretary To calm down the market, he said “please donot interpreted that GAAR will be implemented from 1^st April 2015. New government yet to look at the issue in detail!”

So far, we learned

CGT, Vodafone Hutch deal.
DTC, GAAR to prevent Vodafone like cases in future.

Now next two topics: Transfer pricing and advance ruling. These are also in context of Vodafone

What is Transfer Pricing?

Recall the original concept of CGT & TDS:

When a capital asset (shares) are transferred from seller (Kishor Biyani) to Buyer (K.M.Birla) => then Buyer has to withhold / deduct the capital gains tax for government.
Biyani and Birla are two unique businessmen / promoters. So, when share transferred from one person to another, we can hope the share price are decided by market forces of supply, demand and speculation.
BUT WHAT IF two subsidiary companies transfer shares to each other, and play mischief.

Vodafone Transfer Pricing Issue

Vodafone London has two subsidiaries:

Mauritius: Vodafone Teleservices India Holding Mauritius.
India: (Call center) Vodafone India Services (VISPL)

5 Vodafone Transfer Pricing

Two version
What Vodafone says?	What IT Dept. says
2008: Indian arm sells its shares to Mauritius for ~Rs. 250 crores Mauritius arm says we bought shares to infuse new capital in the Indian arm.	Real Market price of those shares = ~1550 crores. Vodafone’s Indian arm deliberately sold its shares at a lower price of ~250 cr. (undervaluation of ~1300 crore.) This is one type of hidden loan or secret profit transfer from Indian arm to Mauritius arm. HOW? Well Mauritius arm could sell those shares again to a third party at market price and make profit. So in a way, Mauritius will make “GAINS” (in future), and we want capital GAINS Tax on it! Thus CGT + penalty + interest = ~Rs.3700 demanded.

In short,

Vodafone transferred its call centre shares from India to Mauritius at an undervalued price
this was one type of hidden loan / secret transfer of profit.
IT dept wants capital gains tax on this.

That’s the Vodafone Transfer Pricing issue. Case pending in Income Tax Appellate Tribunal (ITAT).

Shell India, also caught in similar controversy.

Budget 2014: transfer pricing reforms

Jaitley made new reforms in Budget 2014, to reduce the transfer pricing related litigations, and enhance MNC confidence to invest in India.

What is Advance Pricing Agreement?

Advance pricing agreement (APA) is an agreement between:

Tax payer (Vodafone)
Tax authority (IT department)

For deciding transfer price OR arm’s length price in advance.

For example:

Vodafone CEO	Hello IT commissioner sir, I wish to transfer ___ no. of shares of Indian call centre to Mauritius arm @___ Rs. per share on ___ date. We’ve decided this transfer price, by taking “arithmetic mean” of share prices at BSE for last one year. So, are you “OK” with this pricing (and the consequent tax)?
IT Commissioner	Yes, but Only if __ bottles of desi liquor are provided to our staff.
Vodafone CEO	But I’m a foreigner, I do not know any local dens! I can get you finest Vodka, Cognac and Champaign!
IT commissioner	That’s not my problem. We only prefer Swadeshi. IF you want to operate in India, then you have to respect our culture (GS1) and tradition.

Enough cheap jokes back to topic:

APA concept introduced in Income Tax Act from 2012.
Ok then what is Jaitley’s innovation in 2014?

Roll back provision

Means, If Vodafone and IT Dept. sign an APA agreement right now, its (share pricing) methodology can be applied for solving pending cases upto last four years.

APA: Rollback
before	after budget 2014
Only previous one year’s data could be used for deciding the price.	Jailed permitted use of multi-year data for better comparative analysis. (so that pending litigations upto last 4 years can be decided)

on a related topic:

What is Arm’s Length Price?

Arm’s length price, is the price at which two unrelated parties will make a deal. (Say Kishor selling shares to Birla at 1000 crores).
Since these two parties are unrelated, hence market forces of supply-demand will work, the (share) price will be rational.
So, government will get the full tax it deserves.

BUT

When MNC giant’s one subsidiary company makes deal with another subsidiary company- they’re related with each other (because main boss is the MNC).
In this case, deal pricing may not be rational.
Government may not get full tax it deserves.

Therefore, government wants to ensure that following two prices are same. For example:

Inter-company price / Transfer price	Arm’s length price
when Vodafone’s Mauritius arm sells its Indian call centre shares to Vodafone’s Netherlands arm	Price at which Kishore would trade his Vodafone callcentre shares with Birla?

Let’s try a Mains questions:

Q. Discuss advance pricing agreements, and their role in promoting foreign investment in India. (200 words)

When two subsidiary companies of the same MNC giant, make a deal, there are chances of price manipulation to reduce tax liability, as it allegedly happened when Vodafone’s Indian arm transferred the shares to Mauritius arm. Resulting into a lengthy litigation between Vodafone and Income tax department of India.
2012: Government provided for advance pricing agreement in Income tax Act.
APA is an agreement between tax payers and tax authorities.
It validates the transfer pricing between two interrelated companies and ensures that it is equivalent to an arm’s length price.
2014: Government further reformed APA system, to provide “roll back“ in APA agreements. Now APA agreements can sort out pending litigations up to past four years using multi-year data analysis for share pricing.
Thus, APA is a win-win situation for both parties- tax authorities get their legitimate dues and companies become immune to future litigations. This clarity and continuity in tax policies will aid in bringing more foreign investment in India.

(~170 words)

Advance Tax ruling

Jaitley also discussed this in budget-2014.
This topic not directly related to Vodafone.
But it’s easy to make silly mistakes between APA vs advance ruling. so let’s check it out:

What is Advance Tax Ruling?

Suppose a foreign company enters India via Joint Venture / Subsidiary / etc.
But India has a complex tax structure, the foreign company may need clarification in advance, on the Taxes that may apply to its business.

To help foreign companies, Government setup a body called….

Authority for Advance Ruling (AAR)

It’s a statutory body Under IT Act. Started from 1993.
composition: Retired SC judge and two government officials (of Addl.Secretary rank)
Foreign company can file application to AAR, to seek clarification on its tax liabilities.(Fees: 2500 rupees.)
Timeframe: AAR has to reply within 6 months.
AAR ruling binding on both company (Tax payer) and Income tax department. IT officials cannot send notices/raids if AAR already rules in advance that xyz matter is exempted. (Although IT officials can approach HC and SC to challange AAR rulings)
Thus, AAR provides clarity on tax structure in India. Promotes “Ease of Doing business”.
Speedy decisions, Avoids lengthy court litigations.

Ok then what’s new?

Reform: Advance Ruling
BEFORE	After budget 2014
only (nonresident) Foreign companies could approach AAR to seek coaching clarification.	Even Indian companies can approach AAR.

Other Tax reform bodies under Budget 2014

Committee 4 Tax clarity	High level Committee under CBDT
High Level Committee to interact with trade and industry on a regular basis. to find out which tax laws require further clarification. Based on the recommendations of the Committee, CBDT and CBEC shall issue appropriate clarifications. Timeframe: within 2 months.	before IT officials launch any fresh cases for retrospective tax demands, they’ll have to seek permission from this Committee.

Apart from this, Economic Survey and Jaitley mentioned many bodies such as productivity commission, Expenditure Management commission etc. But we’ll see them in future articles because they’re not directly related with tax litigations like Vodafone.
More than 4 lakh crore worth tax money cases stuck in litigations. In this article, my purpose was to cover the bodies/reform that’ll aid in that regard.

Appendix

Some side topics:

A1: CGT: Short term vs Long term

How much CGT do you have to pay? That depends on “Duration”.

condition	CGT rate
Suppose I bought a gold-bar, diamond, house, Picasso’s painting or DEBT-mutual fund today, and sell It in less than three years (with profit)	Short term capital gains tax. it is added to your “income” So then tax depending on income tax slab (10, 20, 30%)
same case, but I sell after three years (with profit)	Long term capital gains tax (20%)

Meaning, two CGT rates depend on duration for which, you own the asset.
But there is slight change, if you buy/sell shares and (Equity) mutual funds:

SHORT TERM	LONG TERM
within 1 year	after 1 year
CGT: 15%	exempted

Side note:

Equity mutual funds: people pool their money, and mutual fund manager invests it in shares.
Debt mutual funds: people poor their money, and mutual fund manager invests it in bonds.

Q. Does 3% education cess apply?

Yes education cess applies.

A2: What happened to Vodafone case?

So far Vodafone is caught up in two cases

Hutch Essar CGT	Transfer pricing of call centre
Government demanding ~20k crore in CGT+interest+ penalty SC ruled in favor of Vodafone but Government brought clarification in IT act, to give retrospective notice.	Government demanding ~3700 crore rupees In Dec 2013, ITAT gave stay order for six months.

In August 2013, Chindu offered “Conciliation” (e.g no need to pay 20k crore, just pay ___ crore in ___ installments, and IT dept will free you from this case.)
Initially Vodafone agreed, but then demanded conciliation “Discount” for both Hutch case + call centre transfer pricing case.

Chindu	we can give you discount for Hutch case (because SC in your favor), But in the transfer pricing case – we’ll not give you any discount, because you’re completely at fault.
Vodafone	Then I want both dispute to be settled outside India, under UNICITRAL law.
Chindu	Sorry, can’t accept. (thus, conciliation talks collapsed)
Vodafone	Then I want this dispute be handled under India-Netherlands Bilateral Investment Protection and Promotion Agreement. (BIPA)
Chindu	That agreement will not protect you on that call centre case. You’ve deliberately undervalued share prices.
Vodafone	Only time will tell.

April 2014: Vodafone Sends notice to government in April, 2014, wanting the case handled by an International arbitrator at London, as per the provisions of Netherland BIPA.
June 2014: Government appointed former Chief Justice of India R. C. Lahoti as arbitrator. He’ll look only at Hutch CGT case. And NOT at the call centre transfer pricing (Because that matter still pending.)

I’ll set Mock MCQS later. My first priority is to cover the “Content” of budget + economic Survey.

393 Comments

shiv 15/07/2014 at 3:30 pm - Reply

@ Suresh we need to understand their problem by just knowing English one can’t become powerful n u r UPSC aspirant u sud think logically
- Arpit 15/07/2014 at 3:34 pm - Reply
  
  Do you think by knowing “ancient history”…you can be a powerful/good IFS officer or IPS officer….but I can say confidently that if you have some logical reasoning/aptitude skills, you will do better in any profession…..
  - shiv 15/07/2014 at 3:43 pm - Reply
    
    I know right now you are feeling disgusted n I can understand ur problem because I have same background like you n others as far as history n geography is concerned you are going to become a DM/SP/IFS n if u don’tknow the past how u ll solve d problem of mass as there r many problems which has colonial roots in d same manner if u don’t know d sociology he u ll judge d sociatal problems
    - Suresh 15/07/2014 at 3:48 pm - Reply
      
      What these protesting guys want is removing CSAT entirely, then old one GS paper, one optional paper, finally 4 more attempts So they can mug up coaching class notes in these attempts repeatedly some how sneak into the system. Their attitude is ‘what is these aptitude, reasoning, logic?’
    - Arpit 15/07/2014 at 3:48 pm - Reply
      
      so will you solve the administrative issue by applying harappa administration….just kidding…leave it …..enjoy madi(karo)
      - Good!!! 15/07/2014 at 5:14 pm
        
        enjoy madi… –relates to — North Indian stayed in South India ( Bangalore ) ….
        Aprit … humare tumhare kehne se kuch nahi hota….. kal ko agar aptitude hata deen.. toh tum bhi “fast to death” pe chale jana… to include CSAT….
        
        Governance has to be inclined towards the weaker section … ( understand weaker section in any which way you want it) ….
        If the level of officers has to be correlated with the final marks… they i would say .. level of officers has come down…. pehle.. 1000 ke neeche interview call nahi aati thi.. aur abb 1000 ke neeche topper aata hai……
        
        We have only 1 option …. wait for further instructions and respond to the new demands…. till then…. History aur Geography padho… ( lols …. its not that i am not hurt with this… these uncertainties create chaos …. but kya kar sakte hain… unko candidates ( fast to death) ko marne toh nahi de sakte hain…….. Inclusive Growth.. :P )
    - Suresh 15/07/2014 at 4:06 pm - Reply
      
      @Shiv already History, Geography are included in UPSC prelims, main syllabus. If u not aware please check syllabus once.
      Why some guys want to ride with optional subjects, so called scaling system? Looks like they believe in luck more than knowledge!
    - abhishek 15/07/2014 at 6:54 pm - Reply
      
      I like ur reply ..
vinod 15/07/2014 at 3:32 pm - Reply

any idea regarding postponement of civils exam???
Amit Bhardwaj 15/07/2014 at 3:33 pm - Reply

Dear Fellow Aspirants,

Just Relax (though its easier said then done but still!). Whether it is on 24aug aur 24 sep or any date.. we have to prepare and clear it so why worry! Apna focus clearing the exam….unka focus conducting the exam… so let us focus on our focus….:)
jude_lucy 15/07/2014 at 3:36 pm - Reply

Any verified and Legit news?

then please Just let me know the new date of “Katl Ki Subha” ( or ” Badle ki Subha “in few cases) …postpone, prepone(if it’s a word) .doesn’t makes any difference. The later the worse. Lesser time between mains result( i.e confirmation of Qualification) and exam. We don’t harass Chuck Norris (UPSC), Chuck Norris harasses us.
RAJ 15/07/2014 at 3:39 pm - Reply

Murnal sir please clarify the news regarding CSAT POSTPONED , WHAT S REALLY GOING ON! SIR ??
Amit Bhardwaj 15/07/2014 at 3:39 pm - Reply

judy…
contrary to popular perception “prepone” does exists and is the Indian cousin of “advance” so you can use it in formal conversations as well… (sourse : wordsmith.org)
jude_lucy 15/07/2014 at 3:41 pm - Reply

Aajtak, India TV, Fox news do not count. They all show lies. Even if something true comes on them, it automatically becomes a lie. Like after it was shown on India TV that capital of India is New Delhi…it has now been declared a lie.

Anything from PIB,UPSC, DD News?
- shiv 15/07/2014 at 3:48 pm - Reply
  
  Yes this news on PTI u can check it
Bidisha 15/07/2014 at 3:41 pm - Reply

Sir, I think the threshold limit for taxing overseas companies having underlying assets in India has been reduced from 50% to 20% in the draft DTC bill
(http://www.livemint.com/Politics/3YTK9ILnxNTJPWB10t0FEJ/Direct-Taxes-Code-2013-Govt-tightens-laws-around-indirect-t.html)
Suresh 15/07/2014 at 3:44 pm - Reply

In India 22 scheduled languages there. Till now UPSC question paper printed only in English, Hindi. Hindi medium aspirants telling that few comprehension questions are not provided in Hindi, Hindi translation is not flawless so it against them.
Ok what about other 21 language non-Hindi aspirants? Are all those non-Hindi aspirants are native Englishmen? Why they forced to attend exam in only in English? Attending exam in language other than mother tongue not lower their score? Then where is level playing field? logic?
- anwar 15/07/2014 at 3:55 pm - Reply
  
  U r right……its another low from our political class……
- shiv 15/07/2014 at 4:01 pm - Reply
  
  I think u just need to read d newspaper carefully d protesting students are protesting not only 4 Hindi but also for other regional language
  - Suresh 15/07/2014 at 4:08 pm - Reply
    
    @Shive oh! these protesting guys finally found UPSC questions are not in regional languages? Looks like they newly found regional language card to protect their own skin.
    - Suresh 15/07/2014 at 4:15 pm - Reply
      
      One thing is sure. UPSC know how to filter these guys in personality test even if they reach there! No worry guys. Sincere aspirants prepare without paying attention to these. There is more chance for UPSC go on with scheduled exam date. This is my last comment on this issue.
      All the best for every deserved candidates!
      - shiv 15/07/2014 at 4:20 pm
        
        @ bro Suresh don’t be so negative u r going to become IAS officer if u ll think lyk dis how ll u change d system 4 d betterment of common ppl
    - shiv 15/07/2014 at 4:16 pm - Reply
      
      @ Bro Suresh if u start to see the skin then there r n no of things where we can see d hidden agenda like in case of reservation how many poor ppl r getting into IIT or IAS bt 4 d sake of their interest leaders r supporting although as reservation is constitutional so I respect it.
Amit Bhardwaj 15/07/2014 at 3:55 pm - Reply

Why this storm over her? The PTI only says Govt “urges” UPSC to postpone exam.
So where is the question of rescheduling of the exam.
Govt can urge but it is in the purview of UPSC to act on this “urging” or not!
Please be patient and let the storm pass and the dust settle!
vk 15/07/2014 at 4:01 pm - Reply

@shiv….i agree with you…without knowing the geography and history of the region…an officer cant solve problems…logical ability is also helps but only at small extent
Inderjit Singh 15/07/2014 at 4:12 pm - Reply

Sir, in AC CAPF this year they gave a statement that GAAR will come in force on 1 April 2015 i have marked it incorrect as previous finance minister said 2016. But some noob gave a written reply in Parliament that it will come on 1 April 2015..LOL what is answer in this case
- Shaddow 15/07/2014 at 5:30 pm - Reply
  
  i also marked it incorrect as few days back they said that they will look into that matter again.2015 is not fixed
Kuch karo Bhai! 15/07/2014 at 4:13 pm - Reply

This is heights of political interference into other branch of the country’s functionary.. first judiciary and now upsc!!

Aptitude Test is a well-tested approach of selection in many countries for selections of the best talents. UPSC keeps the level very low such that some Bank entrance exams are way tougher then CSAT. Undoubtedly it makes it a cakewalk for the engineers and allied, but Hindi medium students should have to adept as per the requirements of the UPSC. Even the engineers have to do at least 50 questions out of 100 from paper-1!!

Why don’t these protesters protest against the examination pattern for other exams like SBI, IBPS, SSC etc. I seriously doubt if they are so sure of getting selected into civils with their quality Hindi preparations. Why not ask for a level field in every entrance exam?? Go.. Take us back to some old age time.. Hindi hindu hindustan.. Hah! So frustating it is!

People @Delhi please organize a protest in favour of CSAT. This kind of attitude of”hamari maange puri karo” can be taken up by all. Any lawyer preparing please challenge it in the courts!
Bond 15/07/2014 at 4:21 pm - Reply

Kuch delay hone wala nahi… Stay calm n study hard… Bc Modi Govt. is more worried abt TRAI Bill than UPSC-Cse. :P
- Vinay 15/07/2014 at 6:15 pm - Reply
  
  UPSC is an autonomous body and its decisions are not likely to be chanegd at this stage. Paper should be on time. Its unlikely to be changed.
  Be ready for 24th Aug
  - SPIRITBREAKER 15/07/2014 at 8:25 pm - Reply
    
    lol man…..if u dont knw pls shut up
    - vinay 15/07/2014 at 9:02 pm - Reply
      
      whats wrong in this…would be glad to know.
      - SPIRITBREAKER 16/07/2014 at 7:25 am
        
        UPSC maybe an autonomous body….it is bound to follow the decisions of the govt…
        u must ask some senior or refer to old newspaper archieves to knw wat hapnd last year.
        And dont fall for the word govt has “urged” in newspapers…. i am in delhi at present and
        these protesters have created quite a mess…..this is why govt has responded to them.
        change is coming. wait for some time….
    - Abhinav 16/07/2014 at 8:36 am - Reply
      
      Your name is quite apt.
      
      How are you managing revision while on dharna infront of UPSC or wherever?
      - SPIRITBREAKER 16/07/2014 at 8:55 am
        
        For the record…….i am an engineer and from english medium :)….
      - BATISTA 16/07/2014 at 9:25 am
        
        Ha ha ha
      - Abhinav 16/07/2014 at 1:24 pm
        
        Good to know :)
    - Spiritwalker 16/07/2014 at 2:14 pm - Reply
      
      If anyone is really proud of being an engineer as it apparently looks from the last reply, Let me bring to your notice that even the toppers who are in first 50 AIR has scored embarrassingly low in general studies. Which means that most people who have cleared pre exam has very little knowledge of GS. Some people have scored in fifties out of 250. I do not see anything to be proud of it. For me mediocre passed the pre exam with the help aptitude paper. I am sure people who did not clear prelims were better in GS. I think UPSC should do something about it.
Pradeep Kar 15/07/2014 at 4:29 pm - Reply

To all my concerned friends and fellow Civil Service Aspirants, Let the Union Govt, Dept of Personnel and Training, UPSC resolve the issue themselves. Focus on your preparation keeping August 24 in mind. I personally feel UPSC may not defer the prelims date, some kinda middle ground may come out. March ahead with your preparation. All the Best.
God is Dead 15/07/2014 at 4:34 pm - Reply

Quantum analysis…..
Jai ho Mrunal Baba
jeetu 15/07/2014 at 4:48 pm - Reply

are yar….we shd made prilim compulsory to thse MP thode reasonable n logical decision lete
Birdy 15/07/2014 at 4:53 pm - Reply

Hi Mrunal, I think the burden of proof (for GAAR) is on the assessee (that is the IT commissioner) and not the taxpayer.
http://www.mondaq.com/india/x/208684/Corporate+Tax/GAAR+And+New+Developments
Please clarify.
shadab khan 15/07/2014 at 4:53 pm - Reply

Paper 2 ki study ka kya krna hai pura plan bigad gya….khi rc aur cr ki jgh sirf maths to nhi rahega yaa fir 2010 ka pattern…fir mains time p hi hogi ya vo bhi postponed hogi…many questions but no answer…..sir aap hi kuch suggest kariye…
संकल्प 15/07/2014 at 4:59 pm - Reply

UPSC से एग्जाम टालने को कहेगी सरकार…….
http://m.nbt.in/text/details.php?storyid=38419317&section=top-news

Ab UPSC bhi nahi bacha….
Kejari type samadhan se …
Mrunal sir…
Remove..’क़त्ल की सुबह’
- संकल्प 15/07/2014 at 5:01 pm - Reply
  
  क्युकि “इस क़त्ल की सुबह” ही नहीं होने वाली:)
siddharth 15/07/2014 at 5:13 pm - Reply

d-day clock posponed .
Shubham 15/07/2014 at 5:14 pm - Reply

Its demotivating to the efforts of some genuine aspirants(Hindi students included) . we should fight tooth and nail to prevent any regressive change in this exam(Days prior to 2010) and force UPSC to bring wholesome change like removal of optional from UPSC mains.
- Jagtar 15/07/2014 at 5:41 pm - Reply
  
  yes you are right brother that is even more non transparent and differentiate procedure
  - Faizal Khan 15/07/2014 at 5:48 pm - Reply
    
    http://www.change.org/en-IN/petitions/pm-shri-narendra-modiji-please-do-not-change-the-upsc-civil-services-exam#share
    
    Sign it and spread the word.
    - SPIRITBREAKER 15/07/2014 at 8:24 pm - Reply
      
      Nobody will listen to ur petition now dude…..this is language politics…. change is bound to happen.
      mukarjee nagar students have created chaos here in delhi. They have support of MP’s of UP and BIHAR…
      you can expect changes soon.
      - vinay 15/07/2014 at 9:43 pm
        
        great to here this live commentary
      - aspire 16/07/2014 at 11:54 am
        
        spiritbreaker is doing greatest human service with his live commentary from Delhi, his ingenious analysis on the issue and his holy opinion (which nobody cares)
Raman 15/07/2014 at 5:15 pm - Reply

Sir , question related to CGT
WHEN CGP OWNS HUTCH ESSAR INDIA , THEY PAID CGT AND IF VODAFONE PAYS CGT THEN IT COME IN DUAL TAX OR NOT ?
Jagtar 15/07/2014 at 5:37 pm - Reply

Hello Sir Did You Removed my comment ?
Ravi 15/07/2014 at 5:40 pm - Reply

I strongly believe that , UPSC should refrain from making any changes to the syllabus now . I would be highly unethical unprofessional and tor mental
naveen 15/07/2014 at 5:41 pm - Reply

UPSC is an autonomous body.. If it relents govt pressure. It will join the elite group of autonomous GOVT bodies like judiciary , CAG..
alas!.. BJp, what are you doing to my country ..
Archit Jain 15/07/2014 at 5:42 pm - Reply

Bloody hell…… v r studying history, polity, geography, eco and wat F*****g not…..
if these idiots can’t do simple maths and comprehension it’s their problem…. just because we don’t protest outside the Minister’s house it means we have no voice… and yes…. usefulness of English….. it’s something which integrates India…. something which provides jobs to millions….
F**k these losers…… earlier they don’t study now that the exam is approaching they are doing all this….. to buy time ( conspiracy theory bhai )
Jagtar 15/07/2014 at 5:43 pm - Reply

via RTI answrsheets must read @Mrunal Sir its Urgent . please reply we all those file RTI to get Answer sheets got following reply : Kindly tell what we should do further .? Fill first appeal every individual or just one person then by moving in group toward upward in RTI hierarchy as we know only CIC will favour us . So what sould be our course of action kindly suggest ….. All those want to do in a group kindly contact me http://www.facebook.com/jagtar.malwa .. we will do as Mrunal Sir Suggest please Sir Suggest us ……
Amit Bhardwaj 15/07/2014 at 5:48 pm - Reply

All the comments that I had posted have disappeared! any specific reason?
B 15/07/2014 at 5:52 pm - Reply

Kya ab bank exams or SSC k lie bhi koi protest karne wala hai bhai log?? Wahan ke aptitude level to kahin guna kathin hota hai!! Kya waha level playing field nahi chahiye kisiko? Pehle se bata dena aesa kuch karne wale ho to..!!!
- sandeep sinha 16/07/2014 at 2:18 am - Reply
  
  waha halla karne se kuch nai hoga… Yaha halla karne se km se km neta log se contact bn jayega… Vidhayak to km se km pakka hai…wahi bn k bureaucrats ka marenge!! :)