I’ve closed the comment system, because aspirants wasting too much time in debate, rather than studying.
UPSC has uploaded the halltickets for CSAT-2014. No change in exam date. It’s same 24th august 2014, Sunday. No change in exam structure- same two papers. No change in negative marking, same 33%.
Link: upsconline.nic.in/eadmitcard/admit_card.php
Many people getting server down error, so try it later.
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The Union public service commission is becoming a master at the art of faux pas. The arrival of CSAT has proven to be a bone of contention for students of the vernacular medium and humanities. This was the one exam that had promise and gave them an assured avenue of social mobility. By making it a stomping ground of the MBA’s and engineers the last nail on the coffin has been hammered. It also reflects a societal change towards neo liberalism and the element of empathy and diversity is taken out of the administration. To run the civil services like a gigantic corporation should not be the avowed end, often the moffusil elements do a much better job than the well bred ones.
Considering all this it would be prudent to consider the Alagh committee recommendations that had proposed retaining the optional in the preliminary stages and not make it a caricature of a banking/CAT exam.
My spelling of my name shown in my e-admit card is wrong. Please advice me about how to approach web-upsc@nic.in regarding this issue.
Can’t download this admit card
Can some1 generous help me out
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Cause for such a huge hue and cry is unwarranted and uncalled for, CSAT was introduced to test the Aptitude and analytical skills (not even 10th std level) which most of us are familiar with. IF not it can be learnt. even the people protesting know that. They are just finding reasons to make themselves comfortable, is it not essential to have a basic English reasoning capability in this Globalised ONE world.
IT is an opportunity rather to learn, paving way for a prosperous career in Civil services, where regional, linguistic barriers can be overcome (atleast while communicating) through common language. We have already got our Independence and there is no battle to be won here by claiming yourself to be a Patriot only by supporting a single language(Monopolistic concept) which discourage Change. Without Change there is no Growth, and CSAT provided for such change, where in a education system which (for most part) only rewarded CUT, COPY PASTE.
Common guys lets be realistic about this, this is one paper which can be purely solved by common sense, its the basic requirement which is tested here.. and by Scrapping CSAT is really discourages people who have basic reasoning and cant mug and reproduce.. That said I dont mean/Intent to discourage the latter.. both requires hard work and the problems with Hind translation is genuine which can be solved through constructive mechanisms, rather than resenting the change all together.
PS : Views expressed are completely personal, with no intent to malign or infuriate the sentiments of my fellow aspirants. Cheers ALL THE BEST.. :) !!
Dear All,
If this protest finds it’s way, this will be a big dent in the autonomy and sanctity of UPSC which it has maintained for long, with unquestionable track record of recruiting Civil Servants. And with all due sympathy for these guys, I am too from village but learned and evolved myself according to time and need, these people just don’t want to be dynamic meaning ” Jo hum chahte hain, ya jante hain” bas wahi exam me pucha jaye. Is this a competition. Year long we study in the wait of a date to showcase our preparation, but no even date is politicized with ridiculous argument that we were protesting so were unable to prepare. They have made this a PCS exam… This is not Science vs Arts or any x,y,z subject it is a fight between absurdity to pragmatism.
Yar why don’t they understand that in this globalized world how they will stand before world leaders so updated and learned,
And btw I saw Mr. M.S . Gill speaking in Rajya Sabha, at least he spoke pragmatically that is it feasible to conduct this exam in 22 languages, and nevertheless putting 22 language experts in a panel to interview a candidate( Then pray for UPSC ..it will be busy in translating the papers for a year). Then what if they get selected and deployed far away from their state then how they will protect their language…. This should also be the discourse..
I can only say take maximum from mrunal and prepare the best !
@ DEPAALI tumne ek dum sahi cheez pakda… ki u r doing study faster than some humanities student. yahi fact UPSC waale jantte hain.. They need fast learners because this is not a company , this is about India people . This job is not for Engineer , doctor or xyz.. This is for those who really deserve . But still many are able to qualify by their strength of hard study of 4-5 years and then they are not able to learn the things in training with their point of view. So they are experimenting and trying to improve the quality of officers. Let’s see 3 August RBI fir 24 ko UPSC.. my August roxx.. I will probably try to clear it , as wanna try mains to lookafter my mistakes for next year. Cheers!
Why so many Assumptions…. ???
-explain these……
1. What is your basis of identification on who deserves and who doesnt ??
2. Quote
“But still many are able to qualify by their strength of hard study of 4-5 years and then they are not able to learn the things in training with their point of view.”
Who told you this ??? What is your back ground work for this analysis….
3. So they are experimenting and trying to improve the quality of officers. —- ?? Experimenting ??? Kisne bataya?? Are you part of the experiment ??? Kuch bhi bolna hota hai kya ??
ab busss bhi karo dost…
Bahut gyan hain tumhare pas….
Har 2-3 ghante me use batane mrunal.org par aa jate ho…
Ethics me bhi itne words nahi likhane hote jitne tumne comments kiye hain
Nivegakar committee report…. abhi mat padhna time waste hoga mr. Good exams k baad… c yaa
Abhi mrunal ji ki site puri yaad kar raha hun to ,, commments kar raha hun , don;t go hard heart ,, just enjoy… maze lo
:-(
why u r in stress?
That msgs 4 hangal….
DNT B SAD
sm one plz clear my doubt regarding ancient india,varnashram system in india- caste based varna system kis time start hua? later vedic age or or in the era of mahajanpads?and decline of trade started in gupta era itself or after that?
varnashrama started in later vedic age and decline of trade started in gupta era.
Ditto Risha
it was stated in later vedic era but it was not rigid..ther is one reference where all members are doing different works in a single family…
thnx all of u.frnds i hv problems n many doubts in history nd economy.economy is nightmare 4 me.m doing self study,frnds plz help nd if smone hs time plz ans my queries.ths is the only platform jahan log que puch sakte h nd they get reliable ans.
in which topic of economic and history …u face most problem
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hi…frnz..all d very best for your exams..
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Please read all. From Legendary IAS OFFICER.
https://www.facebook.com/manivannan.ias.7/posts/1529646610589132?fref=nf
Mrunal sir,
If possible ye WTO k Trade Facilitation Agreement ko b cover kr dein, bht hungama macha hai…
@ abhilakshya indian express ke 25 july ke business page pe bahut sahi explanation hai..go for that.
Link or article heading, please ?
thanks deep will look into it
Hi All,
I am preparing first time for UPSC and I am writing first time in any forum. I do not have problem whether CSAT needs to be there or not but I have issue making this as point of English or Hindi or Science vs Humanities debut.
I am and SW Eng and good in Aptitude and can get good marks in CSAT without much preparation. It is true but no one want to discuss why Eng or other Science student are good in Aptitude. During my Eng we used to practice aptitude because we know that every company will ask in written for that . We are not born with good aptitude , we acquire this through 3-4 year of study . So preparing something during your graduation is wrong ? and how can some body say that as these people study during graduation ( event though it is not part of any subject and every Eng. does not have good Aptitude also ) so we should not ask those thing as this give advantage to them . I do not have any paper which is related to Computer science should I say it is injustice to me . Every one know’s today basic computer knowledge is must even though it is not part of any exam. People who are having history , economics , Political science are on advantage side even though no science student is protesting and media is also talking about on one part of story . what about advantage of humanities background student with their graduation subject. I am not going to protest event if they remove CSAT or make this exam more advantageously for some because I know , this is not charity which needs to be distributed in every one . This is competition and competition is never be fair , it is up to you how you work on the odds which are against you. Some have few odds against them , some may have more odds , it does not matter , fight with true spirit nothing is going to stop .
but do not dived the society with one more parameter , we already have region , religious cast . do not go now, hindi vs english , science vs art , Eng, vs Humanities.
One more thing , I have studied in Hindi medium till 10th and I am from government school ( Novadaya ) so do no think that I am convent student
Just some trivial doubts
Do we have to take a color print-out of the admit card?
or a B/W will do?
Do we have to carry a copy of important instructions to candidates to the exam hall?
Hello everyone ,
Though i am a liberal person but after seeing full 2nd page of the hindu , i think this matter is blowing out of propertion. Earlier hindi lobby was crying for 9 questions , then they criticised full comprehension section ie 40 questions n now talking about scraping csat. This is ridiculous now. When even i am not comfortable with hindi n hate it , i studied hindi for 2013 mains so as to qualify hindi paper. Believe me i practised hindi daily n put lots n lots of hardwork just ” TO QUALIFY IT ” . Being an administrator u do not require to know hindi coz either ppl know sufficient hindi to communicate or they will learn on training. Though m an engg i took humanities optional. I dont know abc of humanities but still i try to find n study as much as possible ! And its not me who alone doing this , there are many ppl like me. But still we never criticise the exam. I study pub ad for optional , sociology and psychology for interest and to make holistic understanding, try to put things in different perspective. Learning is a constant process, an evolutionary process. I have never read newspaper in my entire life but when i started it 1.5 yr back it was pain for me to even understand articles. I use to look dictionary for words very often. But now it hardly take 1 hour to finish newspaper n that too with full understanding, marking terms n topics for internet study so on so forth. This is process of evolution. If this so called agitators cant cope up with these things den better leave this field coz as DM in field you need to handle so much pressure den how will you cope it ?? Better focus on study rather protesting ! No ill feelings for anyone! If anybody felt bad den m sorry but friends try to put more hardwork den agitating n hooliganism and distubing public life !
Jai hind
by your statement it seems that only bright students are eligible to become ias officers who can adapt to changes! till 2010 there was no csat but still somebody topped the exam. the cse exam procedure remained the same since independence. why did upsc take more than 60 years to realize that ias officers should possess aptitute skills? that means selections till 2010 should be done null and void! is that possible? why this generation only has to bear the brunt of pattern change? this means that the students selected before 2010 are the lucky ones then!
you are right kartik. Everybody will be weak in some areas since upsc includes a lot of subjects. so it would be wise for everybody to stop debating/protesting and start concentrating on their weak areas as exam is hardly a month away. Atleast for hindi medium people questions are printed in hindi, imagine the plight of regional medium students for whom to understand the question itself they have to learn english, as they don’t have the questions set in their language. still they cope up and dont complain.
Though some demands of hindi student is justified like tough translation , 9 question without translation but saying dat whole paper is discriminatory is utterly wrong! And still if this agitation continues den i think other people should fight against these ppl who are demanding scrapping csat !
Though some demands are justified like tough translation , 9 question without translation but saying dat whole paper is discriminatory is utterly wrong! And still if this agitation continues den i think other people should fight back against these ppl who are demanding scrapping csat !
Though some demands are justified like tough translation , 9 question without translation but saying dat whole paper is discriminatory is utterly wrong! And still if this agitation continues den i think other people should fight back against these so called mass movement !!
My answer to the doubts raised by you guys,
You have raised two three questions, I would like to answer them. First you said why can’t Hindi Medium(humanities students) students do 10th standard math’s? My answer is no one is raising a question against maths and if you have that perception then my friend you are unaware of their demands.
Second thing you said why can’t they do 10th standard English comprehension? yes they can do it, what they are saying is that why does not UPSC add same no. of questions of regional language compression as it will give level playing field to both. I think you would agree that these questions are cake walk for a English medium student and he takes less time than a Hindi medium student.(every second matters in CSAT)
Third as you said you studied in a convent school, you should also consider that how many families can afford their children get admitted in convents, are those people not entitled to sit in UPSC.
Forth you agreed that translation is tough in Hindi (but I would say it’s not tough rather it’s non sense). you said that the translation from one language to other can never be as it is. I agree to your point, but what UPSC is doing is not a translation done by human but done by computer and it’s not even proof read. If we can’t translate from one language to other language exactly so my suggestion is why one should take all comprehensions from English only. let’s take half from English and half from regional languages this will give equal opportunity to all(I think you would agree to it being a rationalist). In current format, almost 30-35 questions are from these paragraphs are out of reach of regional language aspirants and now you want them to compete with you only with half of the 40 questions in hand. Here you guys, are giving lectures to them to improve their level, is it rational and Just??
When CSAT was introduced it was held that it would enable to evaluate candidates on the basis of the kind of values, morals and ethics they have inculcated and their aptitude which is suited for being a civil servant. The intention was right but the execution has gone wrong !!
1. In the old pattern the GS questions comprised of humanities subjects like history, polity, eco, geo and science subjects like physics, chem, bio and S&T and also general mental ability and reasoning questions. A little bit of current affairs also.
So the point is candidates could chose from a wide array of questions to choose. A person good in humanities would answer questions on such subjects with confidence and also the other areas with some extra effort and learning and a person with science background would have an ease over the science and maths n reasoning questions along with the other areas also. Hence, the marks would balance out. This was more like a level playing field. None of the aspirants had a problem with it.
Now what they have done is, they have taken out the whole chunk of GMA and reasoning questions from GS paper of the old pattern ( there used to be around 20-25 questions) and introduced them in paper 2 of CSAT with 2.5 marks over the 2 marks for GS paper 1. This is a clear advantage for candidates with proficiency in GMA and Reasoning.
If this is the basis for testing qualities of candidates required for a more dynamic role in the changing scenario in the country as civil servants then such qualities on the basis of such questions were being tested earlier also in the Old Pattern.
This was regarding was one part of the paper 2 of CSAT.
2. English no doubt has to be tested at such an Important exam. But for that there is the compulsory english paper at the mains level. It not only tests your comprehension abilities but also things like coherency of thoughts through essay along with english grammer. This paper determined the fate of your other papers as they would not be evaluated if you dont clear this very paper. Hence it could be said that the required competence in english was being tested appropriately.
Candidates might have a problem with level of this paper also but its the same case with some candidates who are not too confident with the compulsory language paper and find it tough. Minimum level of proficiency is required and that can be worked upon as it is only a qualifying paper whose marks are not taken into consideration.
Now in the paper 2 of CSAT there are a large number of english question which could be avoided as the english language proficiency is tested at mains level also. This is a clear advantage to english background candidates irrespective of them being from science or humanities.
Even in the passages there is an issue. The comprehension of the passages dont seem to be a hassle as a candidate with little proficiency can comprehend them but the problem lies with questions and the options of answers which come along with them. Some answers are so vague that even if you have understood the passage well you could end up choosing the wrong answer. This becomes a question of chance now. If your lucky you might get it right or else negative. It should be clarified here that it not the case with all the question but some of them do pose such problems.( cant afford to lose even 2.5 marks !! )
And the translation of such passages is no doubt pathetic !!
3. The questions which actually which bring out the traits and aptitude in you to take up a career in public service have gone from 10 to 6 in the exam !!
You dont guarantee efficient and dynamic civil servants with such an evaluative pattern, do you ??
The time is right to give it a serious review.
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ask urself whether d demand is justified or not… as a student, i can understand their problem..i am with them ..this paper of csat should b removed..my arguments are as follows..
1.suppose a tribal boy and delhi dude are asked to identify voice of a bird..tribal boy will easily do that..why? becoz the senario and d circumstances in which he brought up provide him that inherent skill. But does it mean delhi dude lack skill or he is nt intelligent…THE ANSWER IS NO..so maths and reasoning should nt b d only criteria to judge once capability.
2.csat paper provides extra advantage to people from iim and iits….
3.if UPSC feels that students aptitude need to b checked..than there can b other ways as well…make a single paper of 150 QS , consisting of 100 GS qs and 30-40 csat QS nd rest desicion making…nw this will ensure and assure equal footing to everyone..one cannot b selected just on d basis of maths nd at same time maths and reasoning cannot b ignored as well.
4.we require people who have rural touch..so that they could understand the depth of rural issue..
5. suppose all our civil servants are very good in English and have limited knowledge of regional language…nw how they will interact with locals(SAYING TO FARMER- HEY DUDE WATTS UP!)
6. WE SHOULD NT IGNORE THE ASPIRATION AND EXPECTATION OF RURAL INDIA..in almost every house of rural india there is a dream of becoming IAS..people from other parts may have other options as well…lets nt break those hopes and aspiration…lets respect their cause..without any reason no one will carry out fast upto death..
7.we have to respect our diversity…these people who are protesting, are d one with” different aptitude” not with” no aptitute”…therefore enough and equal opportunity should b provided to them as well..
JAI HIND
Well said Sam..I have cleared prelims twice since 2011 with csat..I don’t have any probs with csat .dunno y but I fully support the concerns of the students
Agree with you sam
Sam bhai, koi extra advantage nahi hai engineers ko,
1. Aptitude assan sa aata hai koi bhi kar sakta hai, practice karoge to fast kar sakte ho
2. Reading comprehension engineers ko thode naa padhaya jata hai course me, ye to develop karni padti hai, aur baat rahi hindi me comprehension ki to upsc shudhh hindi me translate karti hai, ho sakta hai jaise hame kuchh english word samajh nahi aate, hindi walo ko bhi samajh naa aaye
reasons are well justified..i agree with u sam..
Well said Sam… i completely agree with u..
Dear sam ,
1. Tribal boys are great indeed but DM doesnt need to identify whether the sound is of hornbill or peacock coz dey dont deal with.
2. Yes csat provide advantage to iim n iit but wat about advantage to humanities ppl since i dependence coz majority comes from art. Engg , doc etc never protested against dat rather they have always moulded themselves as per the need of time. Meaning they all work hard n should be rewarded !! I myself study humanities subject which are alien to me ! Moreover dere are so many engg subjects which are absent from upsc but still we practice diff. Subjects as per d rules of the game!
3. Decision making is a mix concept it involves as aspect maths, reasoning, english , logic etc !! N believe me in csat paper 95% questions can be solved without formula. Just basic understanding dude. It has nothing to do with iim or iit.
4. I dont understand ur concept of rural touch coz i have so many bureaucrats in my family n dey dont need to interact in field 24*7 with these rural ppl. They are decision makers not clerk n work as per law ! N in whichever dist they are posted they need to lean lang. Of that state so i dont think a person qualifying worlds toughest exam ll have problem in lang. N communication DM never goes to farm though he interact with villagers in panchayat or other forums. Moreover he has staff below him to breif him !
6. Aspiration are not regional centric my friend . All of us have them. But is it not injustice dat becoz of hindi lobby incompetency dey blame engg n all. Are dey fools who worked so so hard for their entire life!
7. Yes diversity should me respected but aruments used by hindi lobby is to an GREAT extent baseless as now dey are demanding scrapping csat ! Moreover dey have given excuse to so called politicians to gather limelight !
Dude in d end its all about merit !!!!
Coz i have friend from tribal villages who recognise sound of hornbills n have cleared iits n iims n also hav become DM ! Its all about true intrinsic motivation !!
Kartik…. Why so serious dude ??
Give has taken the decision and CSAT is gone…. Dust … So lets end this discussion…..
Aacha you tell us how to recognise sound of hornbill ( I find this interesting )….. I hope u would have learnt it from your friend …
Give= Govt. …. Damn this auto correct.
I completely agree with u karthik !!
I completely agree with u kartik. If they don’t have aptitude which is indeed required for civil servants they blame the whole system.N those hindi lobby ppl r talking as if they only have aspiration.When we r studying humanities i dont understand whats their problem.Its not that engineers r trained for aptitude in engineering for 4 years.R we fools who work hard for whole life n get seat in the country’s premier institutions.aspiration is not regional,its pan india.
Kartik
first of all its not about childhood dream or salary,its all about status /social service/bribe whichever u prefer most .agar aisa nhi hota to ye manager aur eng. yaha kya kr rhe hain jabki unhe badiya salary bhi mil rhe hain.
Ab aate hain mudde ki bat par according to you ‘they are policy makers’ to policy making me CSAT ka kya role hai.
Dude,we are talking about equal opportunities agar hindi bhashiyo ko lagta hai ki CSAT ke karan unke sath injustice ho rhi hai to use htakar GENERAL STUDIES ke do paper kr dene chahiye,phir kisi ko bhi shikayat nhi hogi.
If this is the way you form your arguments, may God help you in writing the answers of mains.
In my view they should either scrape CSAT or they must increase the difficulty level of the questions. There is no point in asking such easy stuff if your exam seeks to scrutinize non serious and incapable aspirants. Th CSAT exam is as such that almost everyone is scoring 190/200 , and if for example a brilliant guy unluckily marks 1 or 2 questions incorrectly ( silly mistake) then he is out as every other guy ( though only average )can score 190 easily . On the other hand if the level of questions were high this brilliant guy can still score180+ marks while rest find it hard to manage 100 marks .Thus such an exam can ensure that the finest guy will not be eliminated because of 1 bad minute on exam day. waise bhi competitive exams me agar log 90% score kar le toh exam toh mazzak hi ha . UPSC must learn from IITs ( that too pre 2004 era ) , aur if they can not have such high standard in maths , reasoning and english then better do away with CSAT. Nahi toh national level Olympiad jaise level banao exam ka . And kam se kam GS ka level accha rakhe , past 2 years se NCERT ki line se questions de dete ha , kuch thoght process ki jaroorat hi nahi , bas ratto aur tick karo ….. saale test series waale inse accha papoer banate ha GS ka . Aur CSAT ke question toh UPSC ki wajah se test series ke bhi mazzak se hi aa rahe ha . saale bas naukri karke apna kam niptate ha aise exam se accha toh lottery se PT pass kara de .
Hi Karthik,
I can understand ur feelings towards CSAT… Also ur hardwork towards humanities for ur mains optional.. But I don’t understand one thing from those engineering,IIT & IIM graduated aspirants when it comes to mains why can’t u ppl prove ur potential in the same steam in which u r graduating.. Why do u ppl shamefully opting for humanities subject.. Common be honest..
i opted for humanities coz my engg. subject is not dere in upsc’s list of optional.
Hi kartik,
I know that all the engineering subjects are not it the list..but you can opt for any of the engineering subject.. I know you ppl won’t do that bcoz you can’t …u ppl are scared to go for it and opting for humanities.. As u ppl don’t have boldness to go for mains with ur graduating subjects.. So pls understand others difficulties at the stage of prelims..
N why hindi lobby is against only upsc ias??
Why dont dey protest for ssc coz dat whole exam is based on quant and aptitude. Every stage has maths. ???
Why dont dey protest for ifos, cds, bank po, etc etc. after all saarey to ias baney gein nahin !!
Den why dont hindi lobby protest countrywide for all exam , why just civil services !
Only weak ppl agitate n hardworking succeed !!
Because if the social status given to IAS/IPS in Hindi belt.
Lot of people consider being ias – ips to regain their lost social status. That is why agitation for civil services.
For all the other posts/jobs mentioned by you don’t gather the charm/patronage from Up-bihar society ….
Got it ??
Mr. Good
Den as per u said , dey should never be allowed to appear in dis exam coz dey are just entering the service to raise dere social status not for social service. Ek dum bogus reply just like ur name .
Aur social status hi raise karna hai toh dere are so many other venues also like creating an app like watsapp . Creator of watapp went for a job in facebook and got rejected n see his fortune dat facebook bought it for 19$ billion. Kyun apna time is ias,ips main kharab kar rahey ho. Itney oaise main toh social status bhagwaan se bhi upar chala jayenga dude .
i dnt know which world u r living.people frm BIMARU states see this dream frm their childhood.,they hv sen extreme poverty,lots of social discrimination.log apni sari property bech k apne baccho ko padhane bhejte h.parents sapney dekhte h,ki beta bda ho k ias bnega, hmara naam karega,hmari gareebi door karega.agr aise attitude se tum ias bnna chahte ho,god save india really.world me sabse jyada gareeb log india me h.some states ki poverty condition africa jaisi h.ias is there hope.
Guys, Please wake up! hindi or non-hindi is not going to solve the problem… Every state having a language under 8th Schedule should revolt in that case…
Real reason is something else… it is the translation aspect of paper primarily which UPSC should ensure that it is properly done…
Also I personally believe that if you have the capabilities irrespective of what background you come from, you can crack UPSC especially the recent format… even though only 26 hindi medium guys cracked UPSC last year, they did right?! the count was not zero… what extra did they do than the rest of hindi/non-hindi medium guys?
Are the rest crying? I mean non-hindi mediums other than Hindi?
Ias on actual ground carry ego money status and so many things which doesnt relate to serving the country .people fear to raise issue against these so strong people…leave the ias even most people of india fear to talk with police. I m iitian and working in maharatna co. Bt I have no power. I have to give bribe for my no wrong . I got no respect from my society so called middle class. Even I get less respect than s.i and steno of district magistrate .thats single point reason I m reading in late night to achieve respect.
Status of ias is equivalent to person having wealth of 100 crore rupees and some time even higher. Saying to earn so much money is easy bt actually earning is very tough. It is easier to become ias officer than millionaire. Reading and writing in exam hall is very easy task and earning money and doing business struggling with day to day market.
Not serious dude. M just expressing my views. I have no hard feelings for hindi lobby or u. N sound of hornbill is know by tribal boys not me :-)) read d sentence carefully.
Everyone are not intelligent like u dude :)….thats why they are fighting
I completely support ur argument Kartik. There is no need to scrap CSAT. In old days(pre-CSAT era), qualifying prelims was based on a very simple funda “RATANT VIDYA SHIROMANI”…….which means that to qualify prelims one needs to be an expert mugger. Specially, candidates who found it easier to mug the facts and figures of their humanities optionals, they were the ones who qualified prelims. The present format of CSAT demands optimum comprehension ability , analytical skills and class 10th level mathematics. This has defintly ensured that muggers are kept out of the second level of the examination process. And as expected this has not gone well with the muggers who heavily relied on this archaic methodology of “mug-and-vomit”. The very intrinsic folly with their current agitation is their unwillingness to adapt with the examination process. On the other hand, they wish to dictate the examination process on their own terms. Now, there are some genuine arguments for candidates from humanities background i.e. translation from english to hindi passage, compulsory questions from English which definitely needs to be addressed. But scrapping the CSAT itself is a bogus demand. Introduction of CSAT was a revolutionary step by UPSC, and every genuine aspirant(hindi or non-hindi medium) will support this. CSAT has ensured that candidates with a minimum threshold aptitude enter the mains level and encouraged students from management to take civil service as career option. CSAT should prevail, else, administration will remain plagued due to the unworthy muggers
Ditto Agree!!!
Hehehe…. “CSAT revolutionary step…. Aur D P Agarwal uske kranti-kari neta”— aur Hindi language waley angreezi hukumat jo abb CSAT aur DP ko suli ke chadhaye – gi….
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Dear Rad he Shy am,
When u say students from arts background as muggers, mug n vomit category.. The same should apply for aspirants from engineering background who takes up humanities optional subject.. If they are so confident about themselves n proud of their Ramanujan skills then why can’t they take engineering for mains rather than choosing humanities subject like a Coward..
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When CSAT was introduced it was held that it would enable to evaluate candidates on the basis of the kind of values, morals and ethics they have inculcated and their aptitude which is suited for being a civil servant. The intention was right but the execution has gone wrong !!
1. In the old pattern the GS questions comprised of humanities subjects like history, polity, eco, geo and science subjects like physics, chem, bio and S&T and also general mental ability and reasoning questions. A little bit of current affairs also.
So the point is candidates could chose from a wide array of questions to choose. A person good in humanities would answer questions on such subjects with confidence and also the other areas with some extra effort and learning and a person with science background would have an ease over the science and maths n reasoning questions along with the other areas also. Hence, the marks would balance out. This was more like a level playing field. None of the aspirants had a problem with it.
Now what they have done is, they have taken out the whole chunk of GMA and reasoning questions from GS paper of the old pattern ( there used to be around 20-25 questions) and introduced them in paper 2 of CSAT with 2.5 marks over the 2 marks for GS paper 1. This is a clear advantage for candidates with proficiency in GMA and Reasoning.
If this is the basis for testing qualities of candidates required for a more dynamic role in the changing scenario in the country as civil servants then such qualities on the basis of such questions were being tested earlier also in the Old Pattern.
This was regarding was one part of the paper 2 of CSAT.
2. English no doubt has to be tested at such an Important exam. But for that there is the compulsory english paper at the mains level. It not only tests your comprehension abilities but also things like coherency of thoughts through essay along with english grammer. This paper determined the fate of your other papers as they would not be evaluated if you dont clear this very paper. Hence it could be said that the required competence in english was being tested appropriately.
Candidates might have a problem with level of this paper also but its the same case with some candidates who are not too confident with the compulsory language paper and find it tough. Minimum level of proficiency is required and that can be worked upon as it is only a qualifying paper whose marks are not taken into consideration.
Now in the paper 2 of CSAT there are a large number of english question which could be avoided as the english language proficiency is tested at mains level also. This is a clear advantage to english background candidates irrespective of them being from science or humanities.
Even in the passages there is an issue. The comprehension of the passages dont seem to be a hassle as a candidate with little proficiency can comprehend them but the problem lies with questions and the options of answers which come along with them. Some answers are so vague that even if you have understood the passage well you could end up choosing the wrong answer. This becomes a question of chance now. If your lucky you might get it right or else negative. It should be clarified here that it not the case with all the question but some of them do pose such problems.( cant afford to lose even 2.5 marks !! )
And the translation of such passages is no doubt pathetic !!
3. The questions which actually which bring out the traits and aptitude in you to take up a career in public service have gone from 10 to 6 in the exam !!
You dont guarantee efficient and dynamic civil servants with such an evaluative pattern, do you ??
The time is right to give it a serious review.
When CSAT was introduced it was held that it would enable to evaluate candidates on the basis of the kind of values, morals and ethics they have inculcated and their aptitude which is suited for being a civil servant. The intention was right but the execution has gone wrong !!
1. In the old pattern the GS questions comprised of humanities subjects like history, polity, eco, geo and science subjects like physics, chem, bio and S&T and also general mental ability and reasoning questions. A little bit of current affairs also.
So the point is candidates could chose from a wide array of questions to choose. A person good in humanities would answer questions on such subjects with confidence and also the other areas with some extra effort and learning and a person with science background would have an ease over the science and maths n reasoning questions along with the other areas also. Hence, the marks would balance out. This was more like a level playing field. None of the aspirants had a problem with it.
Now what they have done is, they have taken out the whole chunk of GMA and reasoning questions from GS paper of the old pattern ( there used to be around 20-25 questions) and introduced them in paper 2 of CSAT with 2.5 marks over the 2 marks for GS paper 1. This is a clear advantage for candidates with proficiency in GMA and Reasoning.
If this is the basis for testing qualities of candidates required for a more dynamic role in the changing scenario in the country as civil servants then such qualities on the basis of such questions were being tested earlier also in the Old Pattern.
This was regarding was one part of the paper 2 of CSAT.
CSAT rakho ya na rakho ….. Enginnering wala student exam clear karega hi …..
chup ho jao yaar bus itna bata do hone kya wala hai ?