- How to file RTI to know the score?
- Step 1: Copy paste the draft RTI application
- Step 2: IPO worth 10 Rupees.
- Step 3: Envelop
- UPSC has announced the CSAT-2012 result, Click on following link to see the PDF containing roll numbers of successful candidates
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9AJvFSzIyiwYWgwZ01JX0xlQ3c
- Those of you, who [unfortunately] failed in the UPSC CSAT 2012 exam: there is no point in joining the cut off speculation game prevalent on various online forums- it will only add insult to your injury. Many of you will feel “I ticked answers worth XYZ marks and still not selected, but another person online who claims to have ticked answers worth only ABC marks is selected.” So browsing such forums and threads will only increase your agony.
- If you want to find out the truth about what went wrong in your case -“How many marks did UPSC actually give to you and what was marks of the last guy who got selected in your category?” then better ask UPSC to give you the photocopy of your OMR answersheet and the official answerkey and the number of marks officially allotted to you and to the last guy in your category.
- Everyone who fails in the prelims, either fades away or gives another attempt. All these years, this attitude from our side has turned UPSC into a Lord Curzon- otherwise what is so sacred about prelims that UPSC doesn’t publish the marks of every candidate? If only 10000 failed candidates file RTIs asking for marks, the UPSC staff will get tired digging through computer database to take print outs of every RTI applicant’s marks and their boss will get tired signing each RTI-reply letter, and next time they’ll upload the result + marks of each candidate right on their official website to save themselves from this fatigue. (or atleast I hope so.)
How to file RTI to know the score?
Please note that, UPSC might not immediately the give the information citing “the Examination process is not yet complete, because the Civil Service Exam 2012 will complete only when final merit list is published somewhere in April-May 2013.
But doesn’t hurt trying the luck for Rs.15 (10 for IPO and 5 for postal stamps). So, here is the standard procedure to file an RTI to UPSC, inquiring about marks. (IPS LCE candidates can also use this letter, just replace CSAT-2012 to IPS LCE 2012)
Step 1: Copy paste the draft RTI application
Copy paste following letter in your MS Word program (or manually write this in a plain paper.)
Replace XYZ with your name and roll number at appropriate places.
XYZ,
Insert your name and Address
To,
CPIO-Joint Director (Examination),
UPSC,
New Delhi
Sub: Application under RTI 2005, about CSAT 2012 Result
Sir,
Provide me the following information regarding Civil Services (Preliminary) Examination 2012 [also known as Civil Service Aptitude Test (CSAT) 2012.]
- Official Answerkeys for Paper I and Paper II.
- Photocopies of OMR Answersheets of Roll Number XYZ.
- Marks allotted to Roll Number XYZ in each paper.
- Cut off marks of each category (Gen,ST,ST,OBC,Ph) in CSAT 2012.
Along with this letter, I’ve attached the Indian Postal Order Worth Rs.10, as RTI Application fees.
Yours sincerely,
XYZ
Step 2: IPO worth 10 Rupees.
Go to nearest post office, ask them to provide a Rs.10 Indian Postal Order.
Write “Accounts Officer, UPSC, New Delhi” on it.
Write the date and Tear out the slip from left hand side as evidence. and ask the clerk to “cross” (put stamp on) the IPO.
Step 3: Envelop
From the same post office buy an envelope worth Rs.5 OR take a blank evenlope and affix stamps worth Rs.5 as postage charges
Now slip the Drafted RTI application Letter + the Rs.10 IPO in this envelop and send it to following address
Union public service Commission (UPSC),
Dholpur House,
Shah Jahan Road,
New Delhi-110069
Wait for 40 days. (yea the RTI act says 30 days but the timer starts only after UPSC receives your letter. 10 days are added by me, considering the time it takes to send and receive letter to and fro)
And please note down the details of date when you sent the letter + serial of IPO as evidence.
Update: September-02-2012
Some readers filled the RTI and UPSC didnot provide them the necessary information. So what to do next?
Answer is in the following article
https://mrunal.org/2012/09/rti-faa-upsc.html
HELLO FELLOWS
I HAVE APPEARED IN THIS YEAR CSAT EXAM AND THIS WAS MY LAST ATTEMPT AND I BELONG TO GENERAL CATEGORY. I COULD NOT GET THROUGH THE PRE. EXAM BOUNDARY I SMELT A ROT IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS.I MET A LOT OF MY FRIENDS WHO HAVE SCORED AROUND 230 BUT THEY DID NOT CONSIDERED BY THE UPSC. WHAT IS COOKING IN UPSC CAMPUS NOBOBY KNOWS. THIS IT BECAME THE NEED OF THE HOUR IS TO FILE RTI IN HUGE NUMBERS WHICH CREATE PRESSURES ON MEMBERS OF THE UPSC TO DECLARE THE CUTOFF MARKS OF THE INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATES.
WE WILL HAVE TO FIGHT THIS INJUSTICE IN UNITE WAY.
YOURS FRIEND
NIKHIL KUMAR SINGH
ROLL NO. 132942
ATTEMPT IV
RESULT: UNSUCCESSFUL IN PT
hi nikhil
plz read my reply to rajneesh.
i have also filed rti but they will reply it in around 30-35 days. By then the last date of filling DAF will be over.
hii guys iam pradip i cleared prelims,,and the thing i just want to say is the oc category cutoff is around 208 not a speculation its an conclusion ,,lol u ppl come true only wen u see rti copies..
agar kisi candidate ko RTI se cut off ke bare me jankari mile to zaroor jald ae jald share kare
Hi Sir how r u i m fine thank u
hi guys,
i have already sent rti application & would like to appeal others as well to send rti (even the passed students) bcoz each year several students dont get idea of why they failed + tension ,anxiety for whole year.
personally i feel this year a lot many students have complained of not qualifying csat inspite of scores in excess of 220.upsc must seriously be pushed into being more transparent so next year students dont suffer again.plz all of you file rti’s even if slightest doubt.
thanx mrunal for your motivatinal thoughts given in other section.
Reposting my comment again in the hope that Mrunal will see this:
Thanks for posting this mrunal. I’m planning to file a rti. Few points I wanted to check with you before filing the rti.
1. Regarding the official answer keys, can we specify the serial number of question paper; I.e. A, B, C or D.
2. Can we send the application via speed post so that we can keep the receipt as proof of our communication.
3. In case I don’t get a reply within 30 days, what should be my next course of action?
Regards,
Nitin
yes
yes
send Appeal to this address, along with copy of your RTI application.
He is the First Appealate authority for RTI matters in UPSC.
So, Write a letter to him that I had send an RTI application on xyz date and have not yet recieved the reply. Include the copy of your earlier RTI application again with this letter. (but no need to add another IPO).
hello mrinul
CSP 2012 was my last attempt.evaluation based on various keys 206-215. but not cleared i have already filed rti. but acc. to various blogs i came to know that the required info. will be provided by upsc only next year after final result.but various court orders of hc, cic and supreme court have directed upsc to show omr sheets (shipra sud case). shd i proceed to the court to get the information before mains or shd i wait for rti. wat do u suggest.
hii Mrunal
please reply as early as possible becoz i dont know it is possible or not but i want to try to make it for mains.
thanks a lot for information
Hello Mrunal.
Csat 2012 was my fourth and last attempt. Previously I hd cleared all 3 pt exams and hd appeared 4 interview in 2011.I had a final score of 1070. However in csat 2012 despite of scoring in range of 210-240 ( lower and upper limit as per diff answer keys )I was shocked not see my number in the list of successful candidates.I have filed an RTI but as you mentioned they wont give me the cut off and my marks before final results.Please suggest me what course of action should I take?Should I file a case in the court?What options do I have? Because this is sheer Injustice!
hey dharam u hav done coaching at vajiram ( mahapatra sir) na .pl reply
Hello frns i was getting around 215-225 marks. Around 95 in 1st paper and 125 in 2nd but couidn’t clear it. And concernd abt next year attempt.This was my 2nd I’m going to file rti along with a copy of my answer sheet. If anybody getting reply or any reason tht wat gone wrong this time thn plz let every body to know it. I hv come to know tht for some question upsc has referred subjective answer.
I m sorry to see my blog removed from this forum…. Mr mrunal
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My dear friends, I consistently reading all your blogs for quite a long time. but I am not happy the way you think things to happen for you, rather what you actually need is to make things for your favor. I am a civil servant .I need not to be explained how a general category candidate becomes panic when he exhausts his 4 chances. you know , for a general category student from a rural background when realizes the pattern of examination and the preparation needed therefore, he w’ld have lost all his chances in contrast to his friends who get 15 or 7 chances and even so lucky to pursue for civil services exam after serving in a job for 5 to 6 years. but for a general category candidate its just a distant dream. After graduating from an institution and having secured good marks he find himself at a dilemma whether he ll do a job to feed his needy family or to go for fulfilling his cherished dream ; that is to become an IAS Officer. At last his value, ,his humanity demands sacrifice and he joins an immediate job to carter his family putting his cherished dream aside. He is completely entangled with responsibility but he never forgets his dream. He cant join full time coaching, can’t devote whole time for study because he is the feeder of his family. He simultaneously study with whole heartedly awaking for nights after nights but in this process he only spends his mere 4 chances. He remains as a clerk for whole through the life. He repays for the discrimination his ancestors perpetuated in the society. Its not a story but it’s the reality that I have witnessed in my neighborhood. Even some of you might have seen such touchy incidents.
Now I ask UPSC, what it demands from the above candidate.
1- S’ ld he have left his family to starve and study to cherish his goal of becoming an IAS
2- The person from rural background s’ld not desire becoming IAS
The reality is that it seems our country never needs civil servants having a high degree of morality, sense of sacrifice rather what it needs, a mechanical voracious reader. I have a friend of mine having secured a rank in civil services examination within the 1st fifteen, but unfortunately no body becomes happy for his achievement even in his locality, people use to say he ‘ll emerge as the most egoist and corrupt administrator of India. In an another incident , a software professional came to Delhi for coaching after 6 years of service having earned more than 25 lax. He started preparation along with all type of refreshment available in Delhi . He was selected in his 7th attempt. He knows as a reserved category, he has 8 chances (when he arrives at Delhi in his 27th year.) and also relaxation in the marks . So he takes civil service preparation as a matter of study with fun. But for a general category student, appearing at civil services is just like a matter of life and death. Every moment he is living in a sense of panic either losing in the exam or losing the no. of attempts remain .
Is it the equality that is enshrined in our constitution? Equal protection of law never says “we have to sacrifice some to uplift some” In our constitution ,under article 15, there s’ld be equal opportunity for all and under 15(4) ,state can make special provision for advancement of socially and educationally backward section. And we understand the relaxation in marks for qualifying the exam even we also justify it but a huge discrimination in the allocation of no of attempts between various categories can not be justified. Either UPSC has to make all categories to have 4 chances (or age of 30 which one is earlier ) and relaxation in marks for backward classes or to make all categories to have 7 or unlimited chances (or an age of 35 which one is earlier). UPSC cannot suppress the general categories for the sake of reservation and then give relaxation for the reserved. It is not equal protection of law. If some one is born in a general category family, its not his mistake to be deprived off all the opportunities and he can not be made to pay . More over by increasing the no of attempts and age UPSC can provide an immense help to relieve the stress and panic level of many bright students .
Therefore I appeal you my dear friends to make a PIL Regarding this , it seems you ll get some relaxation in the form of 6attemts or the age of 32 which one is earlier and it is completely justified in comparison to 7 attempts or 33 yrs for OBC and 15 attempts or 35 years for SC/STs.
WISH YOU GOOGLUCK IN YOUR ENDEAVOUR TO SEEK JUSTICE.
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i would like to remind you that just read the history and read various reports of so commissions and committee made for review of status of sc/st/obc candidates.
then only you will come to know the reality.
just visit remote places of india where no one like to go leaving his own world.
and i have no doubt why you has been rejected by upsc your attitude is reflecting this.
for more detail or clarification of your doubts you can send me mail on alok11blore@gmail.com
and one more thing i goverment is not giving seats to reserved candidate from the seat of general candidate but it is increasing the seat for them. mind it.
@ STRIVE FOR JUSTICE- Thanks very much sir for all that you have said. i put same thing under my name ARMAAN SHARMA few days back on this forum and to my utter frustration, no one including the person who runs this page, replied to my statement or they have nothing to contradict this harsh reality!!!!!!!!!!!. Sir i am a doctor by profession born in himanchali BRAHMIN family.i completed my medical college in 2009 as university topper with 81% and gold medal at the gae of 22 1/2(twenty two and half). i couldn’t get enrolled in my city medical college as out of 50 seats available only 26 were there for GENERAL CATEGORY and the person to whom i lost my seat was from reserved category with 600 ranks below my rank. i am facing this reality from 2003 when i for first time came to know that i am BRAHMIN and i am different from “THEM.” I GAVE ATTEMPTS IN CSE BUT HASN’T MADE TILL NOW. I HAD 202 marks last year and still couldn’t make though UPSC CLAIMS CUTOFF FOR GC WAS 198. Whats the use of such information when they are providing it after the compilation of final list of successful candidates. this year i had made it from 210-225, still not there. DIFFERENT FROM IT, ONE OF MY COLLEAGUE WHO IS AN OBC, HAS CLEARED LAST TIME WITH 170 MARKS IN PRE(HE GOT IT FROM RTI)BUT FAILED I MAINS.THIS YEAR AS WELL HE WAS EXPECTING 175-185 AND HE HAS CLEARED IT. HE IS 2 YEAR OLDER TO ME, FATHER IS TEXTILE BUSINESSMAN OFFICER and MOTHER A TEACHER. I AM 100% SURE, HE LL MAKE IT TO THE TOP 10 NOT DUE TO HIS HARDWORK BUT BECAUSE HE IS BORN IN PRIVILEGED CASTE. I KEEP ON ASKING MYSELF “WHY I AM FACING THIS DISCRIMINATION AT SO MANY LEVELS- AT CUTOFF, AT AGE, IN NUMBER OF ATTEMPTS.” DO WE WANT TO CONVERT TODAY’S GENERAL CATEGORY TO TOMORROW’S OBC AND LET THIS VICIOUS CYCLE OF DISCRIMINATION PERPETUATE FOR EVER. Now i want to shift abroad as i might get a scholarship for my masters in US and i don’t think so they have any right to call it BRAIN DRAIN. INDIA DESERVE THIS BRAIN DRAIN TILL THE MOMENT IT CONTINUE WITH THIS POLICY. i will never let my next generation face this kind of apathy when they deserve to be treated equally. Aristotle would had never thought how his words of ” JUSTICE IS TREATING EQUALS EQUALLY AND UNEQUALS UNEQUALLY” would find such malafied implementation.
Dear Arman,i share your voice of pain wholeheartedly but my friend ,dont you think its an escapism from the harsh unreality? I will suggest ,you rather take a bold step of reforming the system than to run away from it.Arman,you know its a suppessionof a basic right.You are brahmin.Is it your fault,den why sld you be deprived of your fundamental ri8? Govt can uplift some section but not at the cost of others and if you ask me for suggesion den definitely its a ripe tym to get justice from the court. Now fortunately our Apex Court has generated some hope within Indians.And in this case its a super and legitimate matter which ll definitely put into cognizance by the court as its a clear case of FR violation in the form of suppression then reservation. If govt is lowering cutoff marks for the sc/st/obc,den what is legitimacy and logic for discrimination in no of attempts and age restriction?
Thanks very much for the reply sir.i got reflection of my erstwhile views in what you said. its a terrible thing to even opine a reformed system in india. REFORMATION NEED A CONSISTENT AND SUSTAINABLE UPROAR WHICH HAS TO ORIGINATE IN MULTIPLE VOCAL CHORDS THAN JUST ONE. THE SLAVISH SUBSERVIENCE OF INDIAN PEOPLE TO CASTE SYSTEM HAS A DIMENSION OF PROFITABILITY NOW WHICH MANIFEST ITSELF NOT ONLY IN MONETARY REWARDS but INTER GENERATIONAL ASCRIPTION TURNED ACHIEVEMENT. WHY WOULD ANYBODY ABANDON THAT DELIBERATELY .I am surrounded all the times by the people who talk in casteist language.i am in the noblest of profession but they maligned it with same color. resentment has reached such heights that discrimination is inculcated endogenously in ones behavior. ITS SUFFOCATING IN INDIA. MERIT DOESN’T NEED CASTE BUT CASTE CAN GET YOU AUTOMATIC MERIT IN INDIA. i never liked MARX BUT I THINK HE UNKNOWINGLY CRAFTED INDIAN REALITY. BUT ITS BIT COMPLEX THAN MARX’S IDEA. THE ECONOMIC BASIS OF ONES EXISTENCE(WHICH ONE HAS MADE FROM GAINS OF ONE’S CASTE) IS SUPPORTING AND REINFORCING THE “BRIGHTEST INDIAN ELEMENT” OF ONE’S SOCIAL EXISTENCE WHICH WILL THEN AGAIN GO BACK TO INFRASTRUCTURE AND THIS CYCLE WILL CONTINUE. THIS IS A SET UP WITH INHERENT SUBSTANCE OF PERPETUATION. DIFFERENCE IS ONLY THAT FEW GROUPS HAS BEEN ASKED TO CUT THE CONTINUUM ON BOTH THE SIDE WHICH HAS ULTIMATELY SET THE PROCESS OF ATROPHY. I MIGHT NOT SURVIVE TO WITNESS THE LAST THREAD GETTING ATROPHIED BUT THOSE COMING AFTER ME MIGHT. AND THIS IS WHAT I WON’T LET HAPPEN. India needs an effective and fair system of affirmative action. But the present system is a mass of contradictions and anomalies. The basic questions — who you target, why you target and how you target them — have no coherent answer. A CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO EXPIRE EVEN BEFORE MY MOM WAS BORN, IS NOW GOING TO LAMBASTE THE FOREGONE SINS OF MY ANCESTORS ON THE FACE OF COMING GENERATIONS. does it even have basic element of REASON and RATIONALITY. Is General category responsible for creating heterogeneity in SC/ST/OBC which they now make a basis to further continue this provision. DID SOME GC GROUP WORKED UP KHERLANJI or MIRCHPUR? THEY EVEN WANT RESERVATION IN LOKPAL PANEL. THEY FIGHT LIKE DOGS ON ROADS AND RAILWAY TRACKS TO GET INCLUDED IN “MIRACLE LIST” COZ AFTER THAT THEY LL HAVE TO PUT LEAST EFFORTS IN EVERYTHING THEY DO. I LOVE MY COUNTRY BUT I DON’T THINK SO IT NEEDS PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO TILL THE AGE OF 17 WASN’T EVEN AWARE OF THE MEANING OF WORD “SHARMA.” WHEN IT DOESN’T NEED ME, I AM NOT GOING TO DIE FOR IT. I tried to mold myself a lot but every aspiration has a natural end. AN EGALITARIAN SOCIETY STEMS FROM EGALITARIAN SMALL UNITS LIKE FAMILY, ASSOCIATION, GROUPS. WHOEVER NEED TO BRING A NOTICEABLE CHANGE IN MEGA UNITS, WILL HAVE TO WORK ON THESE SUB UNITS FIRST. I WAS 4 YEAR OLD WHEN MANDAL WAS IMPLEMENTED AND NOW I HAVE INCULCATED IT INSIDE ME. NO MORE EFFORTS TO SEE THAT DESIRABLE THING. WINSTON CHURCHILL WAS SUCH A FOOL WHEN HE PREDICTED THE COLLAPSE OF INDIA AS A DEMOCRATIC NATION. HE DIDN’T NOTICE THAT INDIAN HAS GREAT METAMORPHIC POWERS EVEN TO FEUDALISE MODERN NOTION OF DEMOCRACY. LET’S JUST BURY THE THINGS LIKE FR, EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY IN PUBLIC EMPLOYMENTS, EQUAL PROTECTION OF LAWS. A PETITION TO BRING IN ” just equality” will get bounced as “CONSTITUTIONALLY INVALID” THANKS TO some clauses of article 15 and 16. And i certainly need not to inform you what it takes to amend constitution. i can’t take pain killers for so long sir, they are HEPATOTOXIC. Thanks anyways for such amicable word. i felt them as colloquial of my teenage “innocent notions.” Thanks very much.
the above reply is to STRIVE FOR JUSTICE.
@ STRIVE FOR JUSTICE. sir, acknowledge the latest development in parliament today by clicking on the following link. my first reaction was- WOW!
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/bill-for-sc-st-quota-in-govt-promotions-gets-pm-s-nod/20120809.htm.
WOULD LIKE TO TAKE YOUR VIEWS ON IT.
Thank you Mrunal !
By seeing these many comments, my disappointment got little down. I want to give my last attempt next year. I have left my job. Please give suggestions, describing what mistakes to avoid esp for last attempters.
@ alok (with UNWARRANTED DISPLAYED id-alok11blore@gmail.com)- i don’t know whether you wanted to reply to me or not and by mistake did it for STRIVE FOR JUSTICE(who is not dejected as he is civil servant and i still have attempts, so YOU BETTER FIRST MIND THE DYSFUNCTIONAL STATUS OF YOUR BRAIN). IF YOU ARE FROM “PRIVILEGED SECTION” OF OUR SOCIETY THAN YOU NEED TO READ CAREFULLY WHAT I AM GOING TO WRITE and IF YOU ARE JUST SUPPORTERS OF THEM THEN YOU NEED NO READ IT FAR MORE CAREFULLY. GOT IT!!!!!!!
Coming to your first point of history, commissions, committees, let me inform you THAT YOU ARE AMONG THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO GO FOR SELECTIVE READING OF ANY REPORT TO NURTURE THEIR OWN OR COMMUNITY’S SELFISH INTERESTS BY TRYING TO PUSH OUT OTHERS. EVEN A SENSIBLE, REASONABLE PERSON OF INDIA KNOWS THE TRUTH OF THESE COMMISSIONS. PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO GETS PASSED WITH 23 MARKS LESSER THAN GC CANDIDATES IN PRE AND MEAGRE 39-40% IN MAINS (THANKS TO POLICY) WILL NEVER BOTHER TO READ EXTRA(AS THEY DON’T NEED)TEXTS AND THUS NEVER COMES TO KNOW THE INSIDE STORIES OF SUCH COMMISSIONS .I HAVE NO INTEREST TO SUGGEST ANY SUCH TEXTS TO YOU AS I AM HARDLY BOTHERED ABOUT YOU BUT YOU SHOULD THANK GOD THAT YOU ARE BORN IN INDIA AND NOT IN SOME DEVELOPED COUNTRY OF WEST WHERE YOU CAN JUST GET BLUE COLLAR JOBS ON THE BASIS OF YOUR MERIT.
SECONDLY, UPSC DIDN’T ASK FOR MY VIEWS ON POLICY OF RESERVATION DURING PRE STAGE, SO THEY HAVE NO CHANCE TO REJECT ME ON THE BASIS OF THIS POINT ( THAT’S SHOWS YOUR ABYSMAL STATE OF INTELLECTUAL AND COGNITIVE ABILITIES)
THIRDLY,IT IS PREPOSTEROUS LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF INDIAN SOCIETY AND INDIAN SOCIAL SYSTEM ON THE PART OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT THEY CAN HANDOVER THEIR BRAIN TO SOME IDIOT WHO SAYS SUCH FOOLISH THINGS LIKE-go interiors of india and you ll see the reality of india.” Listen it carefully mr.- because you have never bothered to read anything about indian social fabric as you don’t need deep analysis of it coz you ll be offered a job even without basic knowledge of india (thanks to your Favorite policy of reservation), you hardly knows that THERE IS HUGE STRATIFICATION IN THE FORM OF HETEROGENEITY IN CASTE GROUPS OF SC/ST/OBC AND FRUITS OF RESERVATION (WHICH IS A HOMOGENOUS POLICY AND THUS FAILS TO ADDRESS AFORESAID COMPLEXITY OF SUCH GROUPS) HAS BEEN REAPED BY THE UPPERMOST STRATA OF THESE GROUPS ONLY AND THEY THEMSELVES HAVE PREVENTED PERCOLATION OF THESE BENEFITS TO LOWEST LAYERS OF SAID GROUPS. THATS WHY ” WE STILL FIND A SECTION OF THESE GROUPS IN MISERABLE CONDITIONS ESPECIALLY IN HINTERLAND OF INDIA.” AND I AM SURE YOU ARE ONE OF THAT UPPER STRATA COMPONENT WHO WANT TO ENJOY FREE LUNCHES WITHOUT PUTTING IN ANY EXTRA HARDWORK. DON’T BLAME GC GROUPS FOR THE DEEDS COMMITTED BY YOUR SECTION PEOPLE. IF YOU HAVE ANY ABILITY TO READ A LITTLE EXTRA( THOUGH IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR YOU AS YOU ARE NOT HABITUAL OF IT) THAN READ ABOUT “KHAIRLANJI MASSACRE” AND FIND OUT WHO WERE ACCUSED AND WHO WERE VICTIM.
FOURTHLY, WHEN PEOPLE LIKE YOU DON’T KNOW THE REALITY, THEN THEY SHOULD JUST SHUT UP. YOU TALK ABOUT CREATING NEW SEATS FOR GC PEOPLE IN CASE OF RESERVATION, THEN LISTEN IT WITH YOUR EARS WIDE OPEN-WHATEVER BEING THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF SEATS IN ANY INSTITUTION, THE PERCENTAGE OF RESERVATION IS 49.5% OF TOTAL NUMBER WHETHER THEY ARE 49.5% OF 100 SEATS or 49.5% of 500 seats. seats are also increased in reserved sections and not just for GC. Go and pick up some illiterate street hooligan to dispose of such mindless thesis.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST-ITS FOR THE UNITY AND ETERNAL INTEGRITY OF NATION THAT CASTE BASED ASCRIPTIONS NEED TO MAKE THEIR WAY OUT OTHERWISE KHAIRLANJI AND MIRCHPUR WILL KEEP ON HAPPENING
BUT LET ME TELL YOU ONE THING-” YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO DON’T WANT TO WORK HARD BUT MINT LOT OF PROSPERITY ON THE BASIS OF ATROCITIES COMMITTED ON YOUR ANCESTORS. HOW SELFISH AND SHAMEFUL IS THIS , something that i need not to explain. IF YOU HAVE CALIBER THAN STAND ON SAME PODIUM AND ASK UPSC TO ABANDON THIS SYSTEM OF SEPARATE CUTOFF FOR EACH CATEGORY AT EVERY STAGE AND THROW AWAY RESERVATION OF SEATS. BUT YOU LL NEVER DO THAT COZ PEOPLE LIKE YOU SURVIVE ON THE BENEFITS EMANATING OUT OF MISERIES INFLICTED UPON YOUR ANCESTORS. GOOD FOR YOU BUT MY CONSCIOUS DOES’NT ALLOW me TO DANCE OVER THE PAINS OF MY ANCESTORS. AND STOP SHOWING THIS FAKE SYMPATHY TOWARD THE APATHY OF SECTIONS OF SC/ST WHO STILL STRUGGLE TO SURVIVE. ITS THE GREEDY SECTION OF SAME GROUP WHO IS TO BLAME ABOUT IN AND NO ONE ELSE.
AND I AM NOT INTERESTED TO LISTEN ANYTHING FROM AN OPPORTUNIST AND SYCOPHANT LIKE YOU ANYMORE.I AM SURE YOU LL COME WITH MORE IDIOTIC AND WORTHLESS PROPOSITIONS IN RESPONSE TO THIS COMMENT SO KEEP ON SPITTING VENOM AGAINST MERIT AND CREDIBILITY AS I AM HARDLY GOING TO RESPOND TO COMMENTS LIKE THIS ANYMORE. DISTRIBUTE YOUR EMAIL ID SOME WHERE ELSE MR.,I HAVE NO INTEREST TO ADD SUCH IN MY ID LIST.. YOU LL FIND THOUSANDS OF SUPPORTERS FOR YOUR WORDS ON THIS FORUM AS WELL AS ANYWHERE ELSE. YOU NEED TO BE WITH “THEM” NOT WITH “US”
DEAR ARMAAN,I WAS A LITTLE BIT BUSY FOR COUPLE OF DAYS FOR THE INDEPENDENCE DAY SECURITY INSPECTION. ANYWAY MY FRIEND, YOU NEED NOT LISTEN THOSE PERSONS LIKE ONE MR ALOK. I DONT KNOW WHAT IS HIS OCCUPATION BUT I DO BELIEVE HIS WORDS AND MANNER NOT AT PAR A WORTHY CIVIL SERVANT. BUT IF HE IS THEN DEFINITELY WE ARE RIGHT FOR THE REASON WE DISCUSS FOR. I WANT TO REMIND YOU ARMAAN, PEOPLE LIKE HIM JUST CLAIM TO BE PIONEER FOR THE CAUSE OF THE SO CALLED BACKWARD CLASSES. BUT IN REALITY,IF THEY W’LD HAVE BEEN SO THEN INDIA MIGHT NOT TAKE 65YEARS + FOR THEIR UPLIFTMENT. HE CHALLENGES ME TO VISIT TO RURAL INDIA. I AS AN CIVIL SERVANT BETTER UNDERSTAND ABOUT RURAL AND REMOTE INDIA THAN HIM(MR ALOK) IN THE CONTRARY, I BELIEVE HE IS AMONG THE ONE WHO SHOWS UP THAN WHAT HE IS.AND I NEVER BOTHER TO RESPOND THOSE UNSCRUPULOUS. I NEVER TALKED AGAINST RESERVATION FOR THE OPPRESSED AND WHAT I DEMAND IS PROPER OPPORTUNITY FOR GENERAL CATEGORY STUDENTS BECAUSE WHEN WE WANT TO UPLIFT THE BACKWARD AT THE SAME TIME WE CAN NOT AFFORD THE LOSS OF TELENTS (LIKE MANY ARMAANs )IN THIS ERA WHEN WE DESIRE BOTH EQUALITY AS WELL AS QUALITY IN OUR GOVERNANCE. BUT MR ALOK HAS JUST EXHIBITED HIS OVER JEALOUSY AND INTOLERANCE AGAINST THE UNRESERVED. AND KNOWINGLY OR UNKNOWINGLY HE DRAGGED ME INTO A DEBATE ON RESERVATION WHICH AT THIS JUNCTURE I W’LD LIKE TO MAKE MR ALOK SWALLOW THE REALITY WHICH HE IS INDEED OBLIVIOUS OF.
DEAR ALOK, HV YOU EVER BEEN TO A REMOTE VILLAGE OF CHATTISGARH,JHARKHAND,M P , ODISHA OR EVEN ANY TRIBAL VILLAGE ANY WHERE IN INDIA? IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN, THEN JUST TELL HOW MANY OF THAT LOCALITY HAVE TAKEN THE BENEFIT OF RESERVATION. YOU WILL SHOCK TO KNOW THAT THEY NEVER UNDERSTAND WHAT RESERVATION MEANS. AND IF ANYONE OF THEIR COMMINITY EVER RISES TO THE HIGHER ECHELON THEN HE NEVER LOOKS BACK TO HIS COMMUNITIES FOR THEIR UPLIFTMENT. RATHER HIS OWN NEXT GENERATION BECOMES READY TO AVAIL THE BENEFIT OF RESERVATION AND ITS A CHAIN OR A RESERVATION FOR THE ALREADY RESERVED. IT PRODUCES JUDGE LIKE KGB, POLITICIANS LIKE MAYAVATI ETC THE NEVER ENDING LIST..,THE SO CALLED DALIT LEADERS. ALAS.
DEAR ALOK, DO YOU BELIEVE A SON OF A SC/ST IAS OFFICER SECURING A MARK OF 165 OUT OF 400 AT HIS 14TH BUT NOT THE LAST ATTEMPT, IS MORE DERSERVING CANDIDATE THAN A SON OF A POOR BRAHMIN FAMILY SECURING A MARK OF 197 OUT OF 400 AT HIS 4TH AND LAST ATTEMPT?(WHERE THE CUT OFF MARK FOR GENERAL CATEGORY IS 198 AND FOR SC/ST ITS 165)
SO WHEN THE BRAHMIN GUY NEVER PROTESTS AGAINST THE NO OF CHANCES AND THE LOWERING OF CUT OFF MARKS FOR THE SC/ST/OBCs DONT YOU THINK HE S’LD BE GIVEN SOME MORE CHANCES TO SECURE A MARK OF 199 OUT OF 400 TO QUALIFY IN GENARAL CATEGORY? THEN WHY YOU ARE PROTESTING AGAINST HIM??? AND REMEMBER ONE THING THAT TO BECOME A CIVIL SERVANT IS NOT EVERY THING IN YOUR LIFE. SO YOU SLD NOT ASSESS OTHERS FOR THEIR SUCCESS OF FAILURES BECAUSE IT ONLY REFLECTS YOUR OWN IGNORANCE AND EMPTINESS.
Sir, i am also a general category candidate & i was also among the unfortunates this year who couldn’t clear pre. Still i have 3 attempts in my hand. Sir, u r a civil servant, so please tell me whether caste plays any important role in the CS also? I mean in promotion, transfers etc.. If yes.. then is it worth our sacrifice knowingly that one day we will end up as the juniors of our “deprived categories” officers who started as our juniors?
Jus one thing to be noted if u truly desire to be d one among d babus…Work so hard 2wrds ur goal that even if u dont achieve it u walk away as a winner……Yeh sar sirf “Gyan” ke samne jhukta hai….aur kisi ke nahi…It is worth every penny of ur sacrifice u put on this exam if u do it with ur mind and heart combined…Pardon my language but Caste ko bolo “Ghanta” and start again…
@ STRIVE FOR JUSTICE- thanks very much sir for replying through such mellifluous and prudent words, having tendency to resonate in subconscious mind for long time . i completely acknowledge your busy hours owing to professional commitments. i didn’t ever bother to rewind the words of mr. alok except while responding to him. those who just wan’t to corner benefits for themselves through such policy, need to put an analogy of it in the way something is generally conceived of nazi empire- they say-The Nazi empire was created by violence, lived by violence and was destroyed by violence. so the reservation, which has now achieved the status of a SYSTEM (if not empire) than just a policy -IS CREATED OF INEQUALITY, LIVES BY INEQUALITY AND WILL BE DESTROYED BY THE INEQUALITY (the METAPHORIC INEQUALITY which it has created). To my surprise i was shocked to see one more advertisement of govt jobs which should win the crown of inequality- i just checked ad for the post of IB-ASSISTANT CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE OFFICER. though i might be wrong ( one can correct me about it if its different) but on various website they have mentioned that out of available 750 seats of IB-ACIO, Only 80 are available for GENERAL CATEGORY (334 for OBC, SOME 200+ for SCs and rest for STs) I still think that this can’t be correct as it seems grossly wrong, but i havn’t found documentary proof to believe the opposite. I CAN ONLY THANK THE SYSTEM FOR SUCH THING as i have nothing else to offer. Organisations like YOUTH FOR EQUALITY seems to work in oblivion. I think it will go for long time to come or rather may take a draconian form, especially when i operate my brain in the background of final passage of proposed BILL regarding RESERVATION IN PROMOTION in GOVT JOBS for which meet will be on 22nd of august. THIS IS UTTERLY ANTI-REASON, ANTI-RATIONALITY and just RATIONALIZATION OF IMPOTENCY and INCOMPETENCY. Even if someone make it to CSE through sublimation of every bit of power inside, it will be so disgusting to see man-made inequality getting perpetuated during the job and not just at the entry. IT WILL DILUTE EVERY PURPOSE OF INCULCATING THE DILIGENCE IN ONE’S OPERATION AND CONDUCT OF DUTY. i ll loose huge portion of my interest in CSE if such thing gets a nod of final authority. THE DIALECTIC IS ENDLESS sir and synthesis doesn’t seems in sight. THANKS for responding by overcoming your busy schedule. LETS SEE WHAT IS STORED IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. TAKE CARE
hi all,
i wanted to know that whether anyone else marked answer of one question twice(filled 2 circles in same ques) coz i did so and feel it could have created error resulting in my failure despite scoring 220+ in prelims2012
wooooo…..is this a caste discussion forum??????i thought it may b a useful forum for civil serv. aspirants….disappointed :-(
This site is useful! dont get disappointed by few comments by insensitive & ignorant readers.
Explore the blog, and you will know.
today i received reply of my rti frm upsc.upsc has replied tht’ any informtn cannot be provided at this stage since the process of csp 2012 is nt yet complete and section 8(1)(i) of rti act is invoked’
Regarding 8(1)(i), please go through following article on what should be the next step:
https://mrunalmanage.wpcomstaging.com/2012/09/rti-faa-upsc.html
CIC tells UPSC to disclose cut-off for prelims before mains and interview
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/tell-candidates-civil-services-exam-prelims-marks-cic-to-upsc/936127/
Expected reply from UPSC.But at least they would have declare cutoff marks …..?????????
Go through following article, regarding how to file appeal to the Joint Secretary, against CPIO’s reply under RTI act:
https://mrunalmanage.wpcomstaging.com/2012/09/rti-faa-upsc.html
koy hal nahi sir …we are going to supreme court …join us …
ya,cutoff should b declared,coz this has nothing to do wid d process of examination…
we are going to supreme court …join us …
V r going 2 supreame court.come wth us
@ brajesh yadav- yes, i am with you. lets get the nod of SC and expose the misdeeds of UPSC. Enough is enough. The level of secrecy maintained by UPSC in the matter of just EXAMS has moved beyond that of INTELLIGENCE BUREAU and RAW. The unpredictable results doesn’t only take away our right to get informed about oUR marks and whole process of finalizing the ULTIMATE LIST but also leave a lifelong impression of GUILT and INFERIORITY on the mind of candidate. THIS IS UNWARRANTED SECRECY WHICH STANDS NO CHANCE IN FRONT OF ANY RATIONALITY AND REASON. ITS TIME TO EXAMINE UPSC.
Wl put my no 2mrw